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Old 10-31-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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The Op shows his or her ignorance. The last prezidential election shows the we have a republic, not a democracy. Hrc won the popular vote.
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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republic doesn't mean constitution. Where did you hear that? The OP got that definition right.

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun
noun: republic; plural noun: republics
  1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
But by what mechanism do the people elect their representatives and president? The constitution provides a process for representation to take place. Otherwise you would just have a democracy.
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Old 10-31-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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The Op shows his or her ignorance. The last prezidential election shows the we have a republic, not a democracy. Hrc won the popular vote.
According to the electoral college. The electoral college is based on the democracy of individual states. The electoral college does not apply to the individual states, majority of votes do. The electoral college was created to make democracy fair to the nation as a whole in regard to the President. It was not created for the 'Republic'

So without the majority of votes through the individual states through DEMOCRACY, the electoral college is meaningless. Hence, without democracy the so called Republic does not have a leader.

Ironically, before the elected leader of the so called Republic was elected he did not even believe in the effectiveness and merit of the electoral college which got him elected. How bright is that and what does it say for the democracy of voters? Quote " The electoral college is a disaster for democracy"

The country is not run as a Republic, it is run as a Constitutional Democracy. The electoral does have merit but was not in the initial Constitution. If anything the electoral college has the effect of representing the DEMOCRACY OF THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE IN POPULATION DENSITIES AND TOTAL POPULATIONS OF THE INDIVIDUAL STATES WHICH VARY A LOT.

The term 'Republic' is practically meaningless, as are the terms 'Democrat' and 'Republican'. Democracy will keep failing as long as the majority of the population can't see the forest for the trees, because they are dumb and unable to vote responsibly in their individual state democracies for the most part apparently. The govt. wasn't supposed to be your nanny AND sugar daddy

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Old 10-31-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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I like how the definitions take for granted that the people have power, when that's clearly not true under any government setup. Electing a ruling group doesn't make you the ruler.
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Old 10-31-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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I like how the definitions take for granted that the people have power, when that's clearly not true under any government setup. Electing a ruling group doesn't make you the ruler.
Not necessarily but the behavior of the majority of its country's citizens ARE what gives a country and its rulers their power. If the majority of a respective populace is too irresponsible to govern themselves carefully without the intervention of supposed leaders then they will also be in a position to be easily misled.

What makes the U.S. a democracy, based on loosely and subjectively interpreted Constitutional principles and not a Republican the most are are the economic decisions the majority of the population makes every day, not just who they vote for.

It is like a population who sins all week making irresponsible choices but goes to church on Sunday and votes for the Pastor or Pope to redeem them for all their hypocrisy and irresponsibility for the previous week.

The daily and weekly economic decisions that you make ARE a form of democracy that matter much more than who you vote for every couple of years. When the majority of the population is incapable of making responsible economic and personal decisions and those decisions affect others than bad things happen to the economy and the process of voting and demographic representation of candidates. This is what has been happening rampantly for over 100 years.
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Old 10-31-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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Alrighty then. Not entirely sure I understand the purpose of the OP.
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Old 11-01-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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The only thing the Constitution says about being a 'Republic' is that the states shall have Republican forms of govt. which in the context of the Constitution means that they shall have elected representatives who are elected through the states respective democracies. It says noting about the country being a Republic as a whole. So maybe if anything, according to the Constitution, the states are individual Republics of which the whole of them create The United States.
This is what the founders were thinking.

The country is called The United States of America. Not the Republic of America or the American Republic.
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:41 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The statement "The U.S. is a Constitutional Republic" is of little or no value whatsoever and is a statement of ignorance.
Look in the dictionary under "non sequitor" and you'll find a copy of this post.
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:59 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The only thing the Constitution says about being a 'Republic' is that the states shall have Republican forms of govt.
No, the Constitution does not say that.

It says, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government"

Which means that the central government of the country shall itself a Republic.

Are you trying to win a prize for Most Wrong Things in a Post?

You're in the running.
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The basic definition of republic is:
'a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch'
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The country is not run as a Republic, it is run as a Constitutional Democracy.
Make up your mind.

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The govt. wasn't supposed to be your nanny AND sugar daddy
Well, that blows your until-now-perfect score for being wrong. You finally got one right!
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