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Old 11-03-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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Glad you brought this up because I made a mistake. I was basing this on memory and thought the black population was about 45 million. Here is the correct information and calculation.

Blacks on welfare: 26,884,000
US population of Blacks: 38,093,725


26,884,000 / 38,093,725 = 0.70

....or 70 percent, thanks for the correction.

Wait what???
where are you getting this from.

From the Census.org

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...5/cb15-97.html

41% of the black population participates in government assistance programs that was in 2012.

http://blog.lowincome.org/2016/04/tr...l#.Wfy-y9uZM3E

of the welfare recipients
Percent of welfare recipients who are white: 38.8%
Percent of welfare recipients who are black: 39.8%
Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic: 15.7%
Percent of welfare recipients who are Asian: 2.4%
Percent of welfare recipients who are Other: 3.3%

The US population go black people is now close to 50 million. 2016 census was 46 million.
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:52 PM
 
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I posted an article the other day about solar power. The 2 largest solar power companies in the U.S. import all of their panels from Asia. Why are we subsidizing an industry that lies about the number of people they hire?
We could certainly make a factory to manufacture them, but are we going to put the factory in the former coal area?
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Old 11-04-2017, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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One of the major source of the economic problems of the Coal Country is lack of transportation other then railroad bulk shipping of coal. There are a few expressways but most of the roads in the poorest areas are two lane twisties at best. There are few places flat enough for modern large scale factories when compared to nearby northern Ohio.


There also seems to be a shortage of well educated people as well as those skilled in computer directed modern manufacturing. The prevalence of an alcohol based culture does not help.
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Old 11-04-2017, 02:11 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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One of the major source of the economic problems of the Coal Country is lack of transportation other then railroad bulk shipping of coal. There are a few expressways but most of the roads in the poorest areas are two lane twisties at best. There are few places flat enough for modern large scale factories when compared to nearby northern Ohio.


There also seems to be a shortage of well educated people as well as those skilled in computer directed modern manufacturing. The prevalence of an alcohol based culture does not help.
What? Since the mines and factories have shut down the roads, which people begged for decades to be upgraded, have indeed been upgraded. The railroads have pulled up tens of thousands of miles of track with the roadbeds transitioning to scenic Rails to Trails paths. That's why fracking caused so much truck traffic, the railroads were gone.

For your CAD, tell the damned Vo-Tech governing boards that. They're the ones fighting those courses. But by the Christ they push hospitality careers.
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Old 11-04-2017, 04:21 PM
 
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One of the major source of the economic problems of the Coal Country is lack of transportation other then railroad bulk shipping of coal. There are a few expressways but most of the roads in the poorest areas are two lane twisties at best. There are few places flat enough for modern large scale factories when compared to nearby northern Ohio.


There also seems to be a shortage of well educated people as well as those skilled in computer directed modern manufacturing. The prevalence of an alcohol based culture does not help.

There isn't a shortage of "well educated" persons from those regions per se; just that the young and anyone else who can hot foot it out to other areas that offer better employment prospects. Young/recent college graduates are leaving their rural/small town areas from the Appalachians right through the Mid-West and even further west and or into the south. NYT ran an article several weeks ago that Iowa may swing totally Red/GOP because the young/college educated are leaving that state, leaving only a certain demographic largely remaining.


This is not new or even news; one of the big draws for many persons to His Orangeness's rhetoric about "making American great again" was that these small mining, manufacturing, or whatever towns/areas once again would be great and thus keep their young people from leaving. Good luck with that.
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Old 11-04-2017, 04:29 PM
 
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I was surprised that miners made so much money. Something like $90K according to one guy who called into a radio show. Don't know if there are different types of mining, bonuses, pay grades, years of service, etc. I can see why someone would want to wait to see if more mining jobs opened up.
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Old 11-04-2017, 04:30 PM
 
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What? Since the mines and factories have shut down the roads, which people begged for decades to be upgraded, have indeed been upgraded. The railroads have pulled up tens of thousands of miles of track with the roadbeds transitioning to scenic Rails to Trails paths. That's why fracking caused so much truck traffic, the railroads were gone.

For your CAD, tell the damned Vo-Tech governing boards that. They're the ones fighting those courses. But by the Christ they push hospitality careers.

One, has have stated numerous times in such threads, the railroads were heavily (often excessively) taxed by local governments on everything including their ROW/infrastructure. As traffic declined the logical solution was to abandon (or try) under used or no longer used tracks to cut those property tax bills.


In many cases you had spurs, tracks, ROW or whatever specifically to serve this or that industry (manufacturing, mining, etc..). Once that business dried up/shut down there was no need to keep the tracks as nothing else was coming back. Many of the railroads in North East/ Appalachians made their money hauling coal out of that area to ports and elsewhere. When coal began going into decline so did often many RR's source of freight income.


If all this wasn't bad enough there were other factors such as weather related events.


In 1972 hurricane Agnes hit PA/Appalachia region hard, destroying much RR infrastructure. To many railroads including the Pennsylvania it was the last straw for many of the damaged/destroyed lines. Already not profitable the RRs saw no reason to rebuild and thus left things abandoned, where much of them still are today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Agnes
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Old 11-04-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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It sounds like that because that is exactly what it is. Lazy moochers whining and complaining that the jobs in their towns don't pay what they think they are worth but refuse to learn any new skills, take other jobs that are available and won't move to where the higher paying jobs are. Many of them collect disability payments from the government not because they can't work but because they refuse to work the jobs that are available to them.

No, that is not totally true:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/b...ergy-jobs.html
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