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Old 11-01-2017, 03:31 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Not an answer to the question. I'm not interested in your editorial comments.
Then don't start a thread in a political forum.
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Old 11-01-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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You exhibit zero understanding of what made and continues to make our republic so steadfast and strong. What you advocate would tear the country apart, making for permanent might makes right.

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that's the reason there should be constitutional amendment to change the composition of the senate and electoral college to reflect the population of each state.


CA can vote all they want for Democrats when a state like Wyoming with a population of just a more 500k can send 2 senators while CA with 40m can only send the same number of senators in Congress while paying its share of 40/320 + of federal budget.


anyway you look at it, its not fair. OC alone generate more economic activity than several states and yet we have to share that 2 senators with rest of CA
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Old 11-01-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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If state rights is guaranteed and the only thing that concerns the Federal govt is defense, foreign affairs, foreign trade, inter state commerce, I submit, such fundamental change in the structure of govt is not hard to sell.
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Old 11-01-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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You exhibit zero understanding of what made and continues to make our republic so steadfast and strong. What you advocate would tear the country apart, making for permanent might makes right.
Exactly.
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Old 11-01-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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"I am constrained by a system our Founding Fathers put in place." Barrack Hussein Obama

The Democrats will try to achieve their goals under any circumstances. They have a strong disdain for Federalism and the separation of powers, but knowing they are not able to change the Constitution, they now try to bring their change by massive numbers of illegal immigrants.
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Old 11-01-2017, 04:06 PM
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Location: California
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For every Wyoming there is a Rhode Island.
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Old 11-01-2017, 04:09 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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The current look of the bill is way more ridiculous as it seeks to reward property tax as a method of taxing individuals of a state. So make Californians pay more to subsidze Texans. GOP is trying to kill off its holdout seats near the coasts? The party has been on a political suicide mission since making Trump its leader.
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Old 11-01-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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All I can say is I'm tired of this stupid blind allegiance to political parties. Both sides screw the Middle Class every chance they get.
I agree with you. Both parties are completely worthless. The only thing any politician cares about is lining their own pockets and getting re-elected. They have to suck up to those special interests so the can keep their jobs. The vast majority of them are millionaires and completely out of touch with average Americans.

It's time for the middle class to wake up and get these morons out of office and take America back. We need representatives that represent the middle class.
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Old 11-01-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I wonder if the OP will complain when he sells his house at an artificially inflated price at retirement?

The interest deduction contributes to inflated housing prices.

The deduction of State taxes contributes to bloated state government which is subsided by other states.

Remember that you can deduct sales tax or state income tax but not both. At our tax rate it would be easy for a typical techie household to pay thousands in sales tax. I haven’t seen that addressed.

The average 401k deduction is well below $2400. What you pay now you don’t pay later. The common narrative is that our tax rate will be lower at retirement. People like you and me who saved the max every year will end up in the same bracket regardless.
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Old 11-01-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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The deduction of State taxes contributes to bloated state government which is subsided by other states.


how is this possible? states get the revenue they need whether in the form of sales tax, property tax or income tax. CA just wanted a more progressive form of taxation hence the income tax


how does other states subsidized other states?
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