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View Poll Results: Would you still condemn someone who admits their mistakes and unequivocally condemns their previous
Yes 1 5.88%
No 16 94.12%
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:15 PM
 
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If a person at one time was a member of a racist group or sympathetic to radical terrorism but came to admit their errors and publicly condemns their ideas would you still condemn ?

I'm not talking about criminal behavior, I'm talking about people who just had repulsive ideas but never actually committed crimes

Would you still bring it up? What if you continued to disagree with them on every other idea and were still politically opposed to them.

For example, if you're a liberal and David Duke/Richard Spencer denounced their racist views but continued to be hard right in every other area, would you still bring up his past? Vice versa for conservatives as well.

 
Old 11-02-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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No, at least if it was sincere.

If a person disavows some previously held views that I strongly disagree with but then continue to tap dance around them, keeping their "toes in the water" so to speak, that is a different story. Because I that point I would be convinced they only did it to save face, rather than a sincere change of heart.

If they truly disavow a previous stance and the rest of their views, especially views that were predicated on the former stance, are updated and logically consistent with their rejection of said stance, I absolutely would have no problem with it.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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actions speak louder than words. anyone can say anything, but if thy back that up with action, then yes i can cut them some slack.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 01:28 PM
 
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No, at least if it was sincere.

If a person disavows some previously held views that I strongly disagree with but then continue to tap dance around them, keeping their "toes in the water" so to speak, that is a different story. Because I that point I would be convinced they only did it to save face, rather than a sincere change of heart.

If they truly disavow a previous stance and the rest of their views, especially views that were predicated on the former stance, are updated and logically consistent with their rejection of said stance, I absolutely would have no problem with it.
What if the person was sincere, but had other views you strongly disagreed with.

Would you still bring up their past views after they denounced and condemned them?
 
Old 11-02-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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What if the person was sincere, but had other views you strongly disagreed with.

Would you still bring up their past views after they denounced and condemned them?
Depends on if the past viewpoints had any bearing on the viewpoints they currently hold that I disagree with. If they are unrelated, no. If some of the root justification for the views they still hold that I disagree with appears to be their past beliefs that they have disavowed, probably yes, because then they would be exhibiting hypocrisy on the subject.

Say for example, you have an X-Nazi who has "disavowed" his Nazi beliefs, but is bizarrely obsessed with campaigning against Jewish immigration. Yea - in that case I would definitely be bringing it up (because I would think he was full of s**t).

On the other hand, if his pet project was say, campaigning for a 0% corporate tax rate... no, I would not bring it up.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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What if the person was sincere, but had other views you strongly disagreed with.

Would you still bring up their past views after they denounced and condemned them?
If they were sincere, and their actions proved it, no, I would not continue to bring it up. They would still not receive my vote, though.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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That's a case-by-case thing - lots of factors to take into account.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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If a person at one time was a member of a racist group or sympathetic to radical terrorism but came to admit their errors and publicly condemns their ideas would you still condemn ? I'm not talking about criminal behavior, I'm talking about people who just had repulsive ideas but never actually committed crimes
No, IF their present behavior is congruent with their new verbal stance.


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Would you still bring it up? What if you continued to disagree with them on every other idea and were still politically opposed to them.

For example, if you're a liberal and David Duke/Richard Spencer denounced their racist views but continued to be hard right in every other area, would you still bring up his past? Vice versa for conservatives as well.
If I were convinced that this hypothetical person had recanted a previously held horrible idea, I wouldn't keep criticizing her/him about that idea. However, if they held to other horrible ideas, I would sure criticize those.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 03:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Slats Grobnick View Post
If a person at one time was a member of a racist group or sympathetic to radical terrorism but came to admit their errors and publicly condemns their ideas would you still condemn ?

I'm not talking about criminal behavior, I'm talking about people who just had repulsive ideas but never actually committed crimes

Would you still bring it up? What if you continued to disagree with them on every other idea and were still politically opposed to them.

For example, if you're a liberal and David Duke/Richard Spencer denounced their racist views but continued to be hard right in every other area, would you still bring up his past? Vice versa for conservatives as well.
Based on all your other posts, I will decline to answer your poll.
I suspect that you are leading up to something which you feel the need to "prove" through a non scientific test. Than, having proved your point (which is hidden for the moment) you will spring from the shadows and slash us conservative Trump supporters with your razor sharp words.

Nah. I ain't playing.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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Depends! If a person said they hate white people and backtracked and apologized, I would be reticent to believe them. If they said they hated my decorating and changed their mind....yes. I would believe them.

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