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Old 11-02-2017, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Thoughtful post. Have to say I agree.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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President Trump realizes the Democratic Party is in crisis. He's trying to offer a hand up to them, whether they're smart enough to take it is another story.

Oh, absolutely. Donald Trump is the gift to the Democratic Party that just keeps giving. Every time he opens his mouth, or passes another Executive Order, it benefits the Dems a little more. If he would have come into office and acted even somewhat reasonably, the GOP would have been able to get some meaningful things accomplished. But NOOOOOOOOOO ! Trump has to be Trump, and that has cost him dearly.

Sadly, he still doesn't get it, even though even his closest advisors are trying to steer him in the right direction. You can't fix stupid.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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President Trump realizes the Democratic Party is in crisis. He's trying to offer a hand up to them, whether they're smart enough to take it is another story.
Both the Republican and the Democratic parties are in crisis. The crises are both similar in some ways and different in others at the same time.

Both parties have internal divisions. That's the greatest similarity. The greatest differences is one has to show it can govern, while the other has to show it can lead the nation again.

Trump attempts to use one party against the other to get his way.

So far, it's very hard to say if that will work for him or not, as nothing as come from his maneuvering that has amounted to anything substantial.

Playing one party against the other could be effective for Trump, but the man has the unfortunate tendency to make a decisive decision one day and then try to reverse the decision the following day.

That can actually be effective sometimes, but when it's done too often, all it does is create more indecision. And indecision creates a state of suspension, while Congress has to wait until the President finally acts. The President can propose, but it is Congress that must dispose.
Until Trump begins acting more decisively, all Congress gets is one empty proposal after another.

That's why I think he will ultimately resign.
All his life, Trump has been able to propose, and has always had many underlings to take over and make the proposal work in a united fashion.
When a proposal fails, Trump has always had the ability to lay the failure at the feet of others.
When a proposal succeeds, Trump has always had the ability to take all the credit. His underlings all get other rewards for the success.

Now, as President, he faces something he has never faced before; over 300 other people who all hold jobs very similar to his, who have to show their voters they all can create proposals that can succeed. Many of those other people are intent on gaining their success on his failure, and they are both in the opposition party and within his own.

And now, for the first time in his life, Trump must share the credit for a success. He can only claim a portion of it at most, even in the best circumstance.
In some instances, he can't claim any of the credit. The triumph belongs to others alone. This is entirely new to him, and entirely distressing, as recognition is the very thing Trump has craved most all his life. Now that he has the ultimate recognition, as President of the United States, all other recognition of him alone is now denied. Others always have a portion of it, often the greater portion.

But when something fails, it ultimately lands at his feet because he is the President, and the back stops there.
For the first time in his life, he cannot pass the blame to any others, and he cannot shoulder defeat himself and carry on with the load of it weighing down on him. No matter how hard he tries to throw that weight off.

And that's why he will eventually leave. That's the only choice that will be left to him, and when all other choices fail, he will take the only one left.

Ironically, the fact that Trump reached the highest political position in the land will be the reason for his downfall. All the others in Congress are politicians, and every other person has risen through the political ranks, each experiencing all the things that are brand new to Trump many times.

Even when a politician has never lost, which is very rare, they have all experienced the dread of losing. And all have experienced the necessity of sharing the victory when it is won. Many times. Times when a defeat was small, and times when a defeat was huge. Times when victories were the same. And times when everything went sour, no matter what else happened, and they all had to carry the burden with them for as long as they remained.
Working his way up allows a man to learn how to handle all that. Starting at the top allows nothing in that regard.

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Old 11-02-2017, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The job is tough enough under normal circumstances, his recent dismissal of Kushner was an eye opener coupled with his closed door temper tantrums. I don’t see how he can continue much longer.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Team Mueller was instructed by Assistant Attorney General Rod Rothstein to not only investigate any links between the Russians and the Trump campaign, but also pursue any matters that arise from that investigation. That's why Mueller had Manafort and Gates arrested on charges unrelated to Russian interference in the election. It's also why the Podesta Group is now under investigation by Team Mueller. Rothstein gave Mueller a sharp knife that cuts both ways.

As for Trump not finishing his term - only if he either dies (he's not a healthy kind of guy), quits (he doesn't appear to like his job as POTUS), or gets kicked out via 25th Amendment (unlikely, as his cabinet would have to initiate the move, and Trump picked his cabinet based upon their personal loyalty to him).

Trump might get impeached, but only if Mueller finds something really, really nasty. On top of which, a Republican House is running scared of the Trump/Bannon political machine (it's why so many old line Repubs are retiring). No Republican majority House will vote to impeach the man.

About the only way Trump gets impeached is if the nation slides into recession, the Republicans lose the House in 2018, AND Mueller finds serious crimes against Trump himself. Even then, it'll take 60 votes in a Republican Senate.

My wild guess - Trump serves out his first term, and goes back to Mar A Lago.
Not so sure about Bannon. He lost his financial backer Mercer today. Turns out Mercer owns the IRS $7 billion. Mueller may be putting the squeeze on him to pay up (or off to court he goes?).
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:54 PM
 
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I have been saying since day one that this Presidency is going to end in a very strange way, and I have not altered that opinion. This entire Presidency has been so twisted, so upside down, and so fraught with problems from day one, that it only seems reasonable that it will not survive full term.

The Mueller investigation is proving to be the worst nightmare imaginable for Donald Trump. Mueller is thorough, smart, well respected, and determined. He has shaken the trees and a lot of problems for Trump have fallen out already.

I am looking forward to Trump's resignation speech. (Do you think he will say " I am NOT A CROOK !" ? )
The Trump admin has reminded me of Sarah Palin all along and she quit in a strange way so it wouldn't surprise me.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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Chances are that he'll survive, but he'll be forever known as the most hated President in American history.
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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If he hadn't done anything wrong, he would not have been freaking out since day one of the investigation, which appears to have begun in earnest somewhere around the time Popodopolous first lied to the FBI.

If he was innocent now and had been an upstanding business person, he would totally be ignoring the investigation and going on about his business, because there would be nothing to find.

Trump's up to his ears in deceitful BS. He's a sneaky lying sleazebag--always has been.

DO SOMETHING!!!
Trump's problems are this;

He thinks he can operate in the gray areas that he did in his private businesses.
-Don't pay contractors because most can't afford to fight back against him.
-Bend rules because he can use his contacts or threats to get away with it.
-Make promises you don't intend to keep because no one will hold you to them.
-Threaten people because you can intimidate with with lawsuits and out spend them.
-Surround yourself with yes men who never disagree with you

His issue now is as president, at the national level,
-everything the president says and does is record
-the president is held to what he says and does
-the president is bound by the laws and is held to them

Because Trump lived in a bubble where he could do whatever he wanted to do, I truly think that he thinks he is doing nothing wrong. Fire the Director of the FBI? The president can do it. Yes he can, but he can't admit he did it because of this "Russia thing" and tell the Russian ambassador that the pressure is off him as he fired the nut case who was leading the agency that investigating him.
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:08 PM
 
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next prediction to be wrong?
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:09 PM
 
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Oh, absolutely. Donald Trump is the gift to the Democratic Party that just keeps giving. Every time he opens his mouth, or passes another Executive Order, it benefits the Dems a little more. If he would have come into office and acted even somewhat reasonably, the GOP would have been able to get some meaningful things accomplished. But NOOOOOOOOOO ! Trump has to be Trump, and that has cost him dearly.

Sadly, he still doesn't get it, even though even his closest advisors are trying to steer him in the right direction. You can't fix stupid.
what candidate is beating Trump in 2020?
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