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Old 11-15-2017, 07:23 AM
 
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If all the mass shooters in the US were subjected to the intensive background check/ processes that is used in Japan, it's likely most would have been weeded out, assuming they even tried.

The inability to acquire/ own a semi/ fully automatic firearm would likely eliminate most of the spectacular mass shootings. It would also contribute to agreater odds for the good guys with guns to retire the bad guys with guns.
You have circled back to an infringement on the 2nd. Are you agreeable to putting the same background checks / processes on other rights such as voting? A right is a right.
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I'm sure we're pretty high up on the list for abortions as well. I'm not sure.. I'm sure China is up there..
Not even top ten. Russia is in first place.

What in the world does this have to do with the topic?
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well, in the instance of the church shooting, someone shot him before he might have went to another target.
Maybe. Maybe not.

He wore a mask.

It appears the shooter's intent was to destroy his MIL and anything she valued.

He exited the church.

It appears he thought he could could perhaps survive and return home. Maybe watch it unfold on TV.

No telling how he was processing the event.
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I was asking theoretically. If culture is our problem, should we be looking at ourselves and our society instead of the guns?
Firearms are very much a part of the culture. It is impossible to separate the two.

There are a few prolific posters to this forum who were calling for an armed revolution in anticipation of a Hillary win, last year.

People tend not to take noise and posters like this seriously, until ...
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Firearms are very much a part of the culture. It is impossible to separate the two.

Maybe separate the firearms from the violent criminals that use them ILLEGALLY? Why aren't politicians doing more about inner city gang, and drug violence?
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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If only the people who need to understand what was said in this video had the capacity to. The more guns, the more gun deaths. Another mass shooting in Northern CA yesterday. Of the multiple places the shooter went, one was an elementary school. This is a sick, sick country.

I really like the part where they try to lead the viewer to believe that guns kill more people annually than any other cause. AIDS, terrorism part.

If even a small part of this effort was put towards treating the mentally ill and actually putting criminals in prison, gun deaths would drop dramatically. Using burglaries as a metric is misleading at best, especially when most burglaries are committed when the homeowner is not at home.

The one constant thing that is never addressed is where violence happens and who is most often the perpetrator. Until that happens, you won't get people willing to sit down and talk about gun control. If politicians and advocates can't even be honest about that much, how can anyone expect an honest discussion about the remaining parts? The belief is these politicians and advocates want to disarm the law-abiding and do little other than offer lip service to one of the main reason people don't want restrictions. Taking firearms away from the law-abiding will do nothing to prevent the criminals from continuing on with their illegal acts.

And to take anything from Vox at face value requires a certain political leaning. It's easy enough to cherry pick statistics to make a point. Couple it with a little background music and some red markers, and you've got a video that apparently makes people buy into the narrative.

2,000,000. Remember that number. That number is the estimated amount of times firearms are used defensively in a given year. WHY are there 2,000,000 defensive uses each year? Because there were 2,000,000 times when someone used or produced a gun to prevent the completion of a crime against them. You can't honestly talk about gun control when criminal control is not even remotely effective.
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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100 million gun owners. 307 bad people with guns doing mass shootings. Yet the left focuses on the 99,999,693 million plus gun owners who have not taken part in mass shootings.

Perhaps we should figure out why this small percentage of the population wants to kill others and leave the 99,999,693 alone.
Different studies/ different outcomes.

Based on a 2015/6 study there were about 265 firearms - more than one for every adult from a statistical purpose. Half of the firearms are owned by just 3% of the adult population- super owners who posess an average of 17 firearms. Study concluded there were about 55 million owners, less than 25% of the adult population.

Most of the spectacular mass shooters owned or had easy access to multiple firearms, typically semi- automatic, which they brought to the fight.
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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So.... when the topic is about the stock market or unemployment... It's all attributed to Trump's eight months.

But when the crap hits the fan, suddenly Trump has ONLY been in office eight months and Obama had eight years.

I see.
Trump, like most politicians, takes personal credit for the stock market performance and employment numbers when the stats are favorable and blames where the tide turns, regardless of time in office.
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Since nothing will stop a person wanting a gun to commit mass murder from getting a gun, him having a gun is irrelevant to gun laws.

Gun laws may have stopped the guy who shot the nut from preventing murders 27 through 42.
Most of the shooters responsible for the spectacular mass shootings acquired their firearms legally, no?
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Old 11-15-2017, 08:01 AM
 
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Different studies/ different outcomes.

Based on a 2015/6 study there were about 265 firearms - more than one for every adult from a statistical purpose. Half of the firearms are owned by just 3% of the adult population- super owners who posess an average of 17 firearms. Study concluded there were about 55 million owners, less than 25% of the adult population.

Most of the spectacular mass shooters owned or had easy access to multiple firearms, typically semi- automatic, which they brought to the fight.

This I can agree with....... from both sides.
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