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Old 11-06-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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So, even though he was a "terrorist," we also agree that he was mentally ill, right? One who is mentally stable does not kill innocent people.

I don't care if you're a 20-something ME man from Uzbekistan, or a 60 year old white man from Nevada...if you wake up in the morning with the intent to kill as many people as you can, you are mentally ill. You are suffering from mental illness.
To those who follow extremist religions or beliefs, they do not consider themselves to be mentally ill. In these terms ("if you wake up in the morning with the intent to kill as many people as you can, you are mentally ill") all terrorists are deemed to be mentally ill. Are they? Or is it that their beliefs are so vastly different than others that many - esp. those in NA, tending to hold a different mindset - cannot comprehend their reasoning, and thus label it as mentally ill?

Devout followers of religion would beg to differ whenever a religion that they follow - and has been taught to them from the time they were able to comprehend speech - is challenged by outsiders. Does this truly qualify as 'mental illness'? Or is it better defined as a strong belief in a faith that they cannot even conceive to question because of their upbringing, no matter what content is taught within that religion?
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:10 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Yes.

It has to be an attempt to produce political changes.
welp, that's out the window in this case.

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“This was not racially motivated, it wasn’t over religious beliefs,” Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety said at a news briefing. “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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To those who follow extremist religions or beliefs, they do not consider themselves to be mentally ill. In these terms ("if you wake up in the morning with the intent to kill as many people as you can, you are mentally ill") all terrorists are deemed to be mentally ill. Are they? Or is it that their beliefs are so vastly different than others that many - esp. those in NA, tending to hold a different mindset - cannot comprehend their reasoning, and thus label it as mentally ill?

Devout followers of religion would beg to differ whenever a religion that they follow - and has been taught to them from the time they were able to comprehend speech - is challenged by outsiders. Does this truly qualify as 'mental illness'? Or is it better defined as a strong belief in a faith that they cannot even conceive to question because of their upbringing, no matter what content is taught within that religion?
This x 1,000

well written post
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:08 PM
 
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A terrorist is a person who kills or maims for political purposes.
Don't drone attacks fall under that category?
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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Don't drone attacks fall under that category?
If it were a private nongovernmental drone operator without orders from a national command authority
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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We were running arms out of a foreign country. Some in that country resisted that. We called them "terrorists". If another country was running guns out of the USA we would do the same but never consider it terrorism.
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Japan
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So, even though he was a "terrorist," we also agree that he was mentally ill, right? One who is mentally stable does not kill innocent people.

I don't care if you're a 20-something ME man from Uzbekistan, or a 60 year old white man from Nevada...if you wake up in the morning with the intent to kill as many people as you can, you are mentally ill. You are suffering from mental illness.
No. Religious or politically motivated mass murderers are not necessarily suffering from mental illness. Ideology can make killers out of otherwise sane people.
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Japan
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It really is that simple. Yet cons think the truck driver was worse because, well, you know.
You and skins fan seem to think "terrorist" is just another way to say "really bad guy", but the term has an actual specific meaning which has already been explained to you.
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:17 PM
 
Location: My House
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And, yet...all those people are just as dead.
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Old 11-07-2017, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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No. Religious or politically motivated mass murderers are not necessarily suffering from mental illness. Ideology can make killers out of otherwise sane people.
That in and of itself is not considered mentally ill?! So someone who has been brainwashed under the ruse of religion to kill innocent people is not considered mentally ill?!

I'm learning so much today from certified City-Data philosophy professors.
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