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What I want to know is if 10 million dollars couldn't find an absolute answer AND that same 10 million didn't come up with the "ban all guns" or even the "ban all scary black guns with collapsable stocks and a magazine" as an answer then why does anyone think those two things are now the only answer to gun violence?
Inflammatory language used by reporting media sources. Can scare feeble lemmings into believing what they spew.
I'd bet money if the news reported vehicle fatalities with the same veracity as they report shootings... "assault truck" "assault car" "assault suv" replace gun man with "wheelman" took 8 lives with a "high powered" "assault truck" rented from Home Depot with a "high capacity" fuel tank.
Inflammatory language. Sounds bigger, meaner, scarier, than what really is.
That's why it's easy to persuade that a scary gun ban is the only way to work... It's short sighted, as the implement will simply change if they were to be banned overnight. Especially with a magic wand, or wishing upon a shooting star.
Say they all disappeared. Ammo all disappeared. Scumbags would still be finding ways to carry out attacks with high numbers, as incentive and intent hasn't been addressed by their feeble wish/magic wand. The implement simply changes.
"I wonder where it is the 2A figures in. How is it that those of us who have been promoting responsible, legal and proper use of firearms are responsible for the violence that has become so prevalent in our society? Yet we are constantly hammered by the antis as having this blood on OUR hands. I can say with total conviction that my child was raised away from the tube and the joystick.'
The anti-gun nuts ALWAYS use TOTAL gun violence figures and REFUSE, or ignore, the details.
The VAST majority of gun violence is from the gang bangers and the illegal drug trade mostly from inner cities and the surrounding suburbs.
REMOVE those stats and America's stats put them WAY DOWN THE LIST on gun crime violence compared to other countries.
In this particular discussion the antis have been called to the mast numerous times on the validity of their precious statistics. Yes, their numbers are horribly skewed. Suicides and LE/citizen self defense are included in the numbers they cite which makes things seem far worse than they are.
Of course many of them see self defense as a crime as well and would prosecute people for it ala CA. LE and citizen self defense use of firearms/lethal force can be considered in terms of violent crime. But it was crime that was stopped. The criminal can be counted in crime statistics as an attempt but if he was shot or other use of lethal force used against him, that cannot be counted in any numbers as a "tragic gun death."
Suicides are really ludicrous to include. If someone wants to off themselves not having guns around won't matter. Not one bit. The argument returned to this is that it would be harder for suicides if guns were not present. Seriously? Doesn't seem to matter to a LOT of people in Japan. The US is not even in the top ten nations for suicides. Japan is. Number 8. I looked it up.
Hanging ,ODs, blades, and such are favored Japanese methods. They might use guns if they ha them but the numbers would remain unchanged. We should move on from the statistics topic. It has been weighed, measured, and found wanting.
Thee are several on these gun threads who have advocated getting rid of all guns, even single-shot bolt action hunting rifles.
There are lots of people on both sides that tend toward the nutty category, which is why I think being specific and direct tends to make more sense...
Hard to tell who you are addressing if you aren't specific. If it is the extremists and/or any given person in particular, best to say so or who knows who you are addressing?
What I want to know is if 10 million dollars couldn't find an absolute answer AND that same 10 million didn't come up with the "ban all guns" or even the "ban all scary black guns with collapsable stocks and a magazine" as an answer then why does anyone think those two things are now the only answer to gun violence?
"then why does anyone think those two things are now the only answer to gun violence?"
They are NOT really concerned with deaths.
Their GOAL is to limit the 2nd Amendment as much as they can.
IF they WERE concerned, they would focus those attention on those things that are involved in the much greater cause of deaths.
You realize Democracies are ripe for revolution, don't you. Thus our 2/3rds rule to pass legislation..... That is being eroded and we are closer to a bloody revolution today, as the unconstitutional refusal to abide by the 2/3rd rule before the Civil War, sparked bloodshed.
When 50.1 can tell 49.9 to **** off, you are going to see a bunch of blowback and constant conflict.
Every time I read a comment of yours, I always seem to be hearing "the sky is falling, the sky is falling."
"Blowback and constant conflict" is a constant in our world, or show me a time when the world was at peace and harmony. In fact, compared to the good old days of WWI and WWII, we've been doing considerably better all considered, but to expect peace and harmony? We're humans. Don't hold your breath...
"then why does anyone think those two things are now the only answer to gun violence?"
They are NOT really concerned with deaths.
Their GOAL is to limit the 2nd Amendment as much as they can.
IF they WERE concerned, they would focus those attention on those things that are involved in the much greater cause of deaths.
Gun deaths are WAY DOWN the list of causes.
This is true.
They can justify sacrificing 35,092 for having the privilege to operate private modes of transportation. But believe 9,616 is enough to forfeit/restrict a Constitutional right. On the basis of need as interpreted by their opinion.
The premise isn't public safety or preserving life.
It isn't a disease? CDC=Center for Disease Control.
Mental health is a disease and/or many forms of mental health are considered a disease, and mental health problems cause gun violence problems, so..., you sure you want to go there?
This is true.
They can justify sacrificing 35,092 for having the privilege to operate private modes of transportation. But believe 9,616 is enough to forfeit/restrict a Constitutional right. On the basis of need as interpreted by their opinion.
The premise isn't public safety or preserving life.
Well I wouldn't go so far to say it isn't about safety or preserving life. But. It may not be about safety or preserving life by affecting interests they care about. It's no biggie to support something that doesn't impact you or your lifestyle directly, but the perceived benefit of that something may, it's quite another to support something that will impact your lifestyle directly, and the perceived benefit of that something may not.
This is true.
They can justify sacrificing 35,092 for having the privilege to operate private modes of transportation. But believe 9,616 is enough to forfeit/restrict a Constitutional right. On the basis of need as interpreted by their opinion.
The premise isn't public safety or preserving life.
Unlike cars, the surrender of guns would not cripple the entire country's ability to function and leave us in the 1800s from a sociology-economic standpoint. You persist with this stupid comparison of guns to cars.
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How is it that those of us who have been promoting responsible, legal and proper use of firearms are responsible for the violence that has become so prevalent in our society? Yet we are constantly hammered by the antis as having this blood on OUR hands. I can say with total conviction that my child was raised away from the tube and the joystick.'
