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In reality, the founding fathers obviously did not foresee the advances in technology. In their time, "arms" meant knives, swords, bow and arrow, and flintlock pistols and muskets with a rate of fire of 1-3 (inaccurate) shots per minute... I am sure even a modern crossbow is deadlier than what qualified as "arms" back in the late 18th century.
As a result, I am in favor of banning all advanced forms of weaponry (who knows, in 50 years we may have plutonium tipped arrows, so obviously those should be banned), and restricting "arms" to mean pistols for home self defense and hunting rifles for hunting. Imo this would follow the spirit of the original document.
"In reality," you do NOT know what you are talking about.
"In their time, "arms" meant knives, swords, bow and arrow, and flintlock pistols and muskets with a rate of fire of 1-3 (inaccurate) shots per minute.."
"As a result, I am in favor of banning all advanced forms of weaponry"
Of COURSE you ARE becuae you DON'T know what you are talking about.
If you were to read more posts you would NOT make such ignorant claims.
" Thomas Jefferson’s “Assault Rifle” – The Girardoni Air Rifle
"The Girardoni air rifle was 22-shot, magazine-fed, nearly silent .46 caliber repeating rifle adopted in 1780 by the Austrian Army. Thomas Jefferson purchased two of these rifles, which he sent west with Lewis and Clark.", CIVILIANS.
"Does it have a high-capacity magazine? Got it!
Is it capable of firing 22 aimed shots in a minute? Got it!
Is it a military weapon? Got it!
Was it manufactured during the American Revolutionary War? Got it!"
Semi-automatics WERE AVAILABLE back then.
IF what you, and the rest of the anti-gun crowd claim is true, why DIDN'T the government BAN them?
"Imo this would follow the spirit of the original document."
If you want I can re-post the quotes AGAIN from the people who WROTE the original documents which shows AGAIN, you do NOT know what you are talking about!
Individual gun ownership was never intended in the 2nd Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
Its absolutely clear that when they drafted the 2nd Amendment they had a militia in mind not private ownership. They borrowed the concept from the Articles of Confederation Article VI
every state shall always keep up a well regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutred, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of field-pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.
Also the phrase "the people" does not refer to individuals, it refers to a collective political body. When the Constitution calls out specific individuals it uses the phrase "Persons". As seen in the 5th Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a
presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury
The fact we have allowed the 2nd Amendment to be interpreted to mean individual private ownership is not what the founding fathers intended.
Setting aside the fact that this has been debunked repeatedly by other historical documents and the simple fact that not only are there no historical accounts of the federal government enforcing the premise that only the military should have arms by confiscation of arms from civilians.....indeed civilians owned artillery and battleships.....
What is the point of trying to make the "well regulated militia" argument.......if, as Liberals claim over and over....."nobody wants to take your guns"?
If, after all, you think the 2nd amendment only applies to the military, wouldn't that interpretation require confiscation of arms from civilians?
All depends, M10/11 out there around 4 or 5 K Riesings between 4-6k (ugly gun IMOP) I got my PPSH for 8k but sold my MP40 for 15k. Sweet BM59 out there I'm looking at 12k. Point is they are out there. If they opened up the registry for a week Holy Socks the money would change hands!
I was speaking more about M-16's as they seem to be the demonized weapon of choice today, but that's good info. Thanks. I am not into NFA/Class III, but may put my toe in the water with an SBR, or suppressor.
Don't look now but I'm loading up my Armalite Rifle 15 for a day of deer hunting. 6.5 grendel, 123 grain SST 2500 feet per second at the barrel and still cooking over 2000 fps at 400 yards. It's an absolute near perfect deer and hog gun.
The people refers to a collective body, not all individuals. Hence subjects within the people can legally be allowed only partial Constitutional rights. Like prisoners for example. The 8th Amendment applies to them when it bars cruel and unusual punishment but the 2nd Amendment is revoked for those individuals.
Every state has a National Guard. New York State National Guard use to be called "The New York State Militia". These entities are exactly what was being referred to in the 2nd Amendment and Articles of Confederation as composing a militia of the people.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
It refers to the Militia as being the crucial component the the security of a free state. Not individuals, the militia. Why it says The People is because in that time period it was very common for governments to use foreign born mercenaries. Like the Hessians for example. The framers of the Constitution wanted to insure that our militias would be composed of only American Citizens.
The notion that the Founders thought that stating something as glaringly obvious as the military's right to bear arms would be so important as to list it 2nd only to the freedom of speech in the Bill of Rights......
Don't look now but I'm loading up my Armalite Rifle 15 for a day of deer hunting. 6.5 grendel, 123 grain SST 2500 feet per second at the barrel and still cooking over 2000 fps at 400 yards. It's an absolute near perfect deer and hog gun.
That's better than .30-30 ballistics out of a lever gun. Very nice. I reload also, so that would be a great round for me. I plan to switch over to all things 6.5MM for most of my hunting. Lots of good choices out there depending on platform you're using. 260 Rem, 6.5MM Swede, Grendel, Creedmoor, etc. Of course the AR is better suited for the Grendel, and Creedmoor rounds. Bolt gun, I may go Swede.
What a ridiculous argument. Pray tell, how many pools have walked into a church and killed 2 dozen men, women and children?
Not at all "ridiculous". The statement was "Idiots with them kill a lot of kids" so count up over the years how many parents have done something stupid or violent and severely hurt or killed their kids or how many kids have drowned in pools vs how many kids have been killed by an "assault rifle". Let's then add in ATV's,Motorcycles,Bicycles,Skateboards/Scooters etc.
Should they ban parents or pools or any of those things listed or just the scary looking things with a barrel?
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