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That was my point, people, such as one identical twin and not the other CHOOSES to be gay, there are not gay genes or people "born gay".
How about the first two paragraphs that i posted,
Check out
2008 Scientific American piece titled Identical Twins' Genes Are Not Identical.
I've dated an identical twin. My loved one was the older brother. He committed suicide, his twin brother was mentally healthy. How can that be?
How do you explain that? suicide is not a choice, by the way. My late boyfriend was an attorney. He suffered from undiagnosed untreated mental illness. His twin brother was okay. Bottom line, Identical twins' genes are not identical.
My MARSOC/Recon Marine friend has a daredevil personality. His twin brother is just.. a... nerd (for lack of a better word) Not a choice, by the way.
If something as simple as poodle coat color is controlled by nine different genes, imagine how many genes go into complex traits like sexual behavior. It is not about "choice". It is not that simple.
It only works on those who weren't really gay to begin with. The reverse would be true as well. Put a straight person in a gay conversion program. As soon as they leave they will revert back to straight.
So why did God make some people gay and some heterosexual. That's if you believe God made us all. What's your theory on that.
God created man and woman, and gave them "freewill". What they do with their "freewill" is up to them.
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Voted NO.
You can't change what sex you're attracted to but you can choose what activities you engage in.
Simply abstaining from gay sex does not make one straight.
True.
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Good point, people who voted yes pretty much admitted that they can become gay with some type of therapy.
Not at all. It is far more complicated than people have been lead to believe.
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So if you prayed to god to make you gay you would become gay, (I'm assuming youre straight.)
Anyone that believes in God would not be praying that God would make them gay. Not sure you understand religion enough to try to explain this any further.
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God does not force us to follow His principles. If I want to engage in homosexual behaviors, I am free to do so, as is anyone else.
Exactly, it is called "free will" which God bestowed on man.
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This is false. The entire Bible is about Jesus - Old and New Testament. Christ Himself believed in the Old Testament and preached the upholding of the Ten Commandments until heaven and earth passes away. It is false doctrine that was introduced by Rome and that permeates mainstream Christianity that teaches ignorance toward the Old Testament. God's love begins in the Old and continues in the New.
The Old Testament is not about Jesus. Christianity has been corrupted by the New Testament and abandoning God.
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Leave the gay people alone and let them live their lives.
So what if in some cases it is a choice. If it's between consenting adults I can't relate why anyone has a problem with it.
This god character is evil, all of them I'm too pro-science to believe that nonsense. Any thought that I will be punished for saying that is just silly.
I agree, BUT also leave those alone that want to use reparative therapy. I think simply the word "reparative" means that they believe they were once hetero, remember that and want to "repair" what has happened, especially where they realize it had to do with porn or "situational".
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Send a guy to prison for life and you'll see what he is capable of.
Exactly, "situational" homosexuality. I thought everyone was aware that sexual needs were often met in such a way.
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A video from Christian Broadcasting Network .com? Like that's believable...
I note you went through and tried to choose something that you would dispute. Weak, very weak. What about the rest. You only selectively chose that particular one as if they have no right to speak. You want a choice yet want to deny others their choice.
If that is all you can address from my links................ In order to have a real discussion, what about "situational" homosexuality and also how porn can change someone's brain and the marketing of gay porn and the results that are being seen and experienced. I think this plays to for whom therapy might be useful and whether or not someone practicing homosexuality was born that way or just happened to it along the way.
The Old Testament is not about Jesus. Christianity has been corrupted by the New Testament and abandoning God.
OT god is monstrous, Jesus is pretty much the only saving grace of the philosophy. But it does make sense that a person who desires to worship a monster would hold monstrous opinions. Are you a Christian or some other faith? Don't think I have ever heard a single Christian ever say that the Old Testament is more important than the New Testament... without the New Testament Christianity does not even exist. How can Christianity possibly be corrupted by the New Testament, when it is the New Testament that defines Christianity in the first place!? Absolutely bizarre train of logic.
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I don't want to turn this thread into a religious debate (no one will ever win this debate by the way)
I just want to add this, If you remember, Jesus didn’t come to recruit people into Judiasm, he came to get people to follow him. The Jewish Old Testament Scriptures foretold of Jesus. He lived by the Old Testament law, and he fulfilled the righteous requirements of it ~ thus pleasing God. And then he gave humanity a new and living way to connect to God on our own ~ without the rigor and the ritual of religion. The New Testament is about this new and living way.
The OT points toward the new and the NT explains and fulfils the old. There is no competition between the two. The OT was always pointing ahead to the coming Messiah. The NT shows how Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies by going to the OT and explaining how it relates to Jesus .
I've dated an identical twin. My loved one was the older brother. He committed suicide, his twin brother was mentally healthy. How can that be?
How do you explain that? suicide is not a choice, by the way. My late boyfriend was an attorney. He suffered from undiagnosed untreated mental illness. His twin brother was okay. Bottom line, Identical twins' genes are not identical.
I'm not trying to go crazy off topic, and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing that suicide is or is not a choice, but I will say this.
For not being a choice, the person who commits suicide sure makes lots of choices before the act. For example, the person:
1. Makes a choice on when to commit suicide (i.e., today, tomorrow, next week?)
2. Makes a choice on where to commit suicide (i.e., house, park, isolated area)
3. Makes a choice on how to commit suicide (i.e., jump off a building, gun shot, hanging, drowning)
4. Makes a choice acquiring what is needed to commit the “how” (i.e., gun, rope, belts, poison, etc.)
5. Makes a choice on the preparation needed to commit suicide (i.e., sell all belongings, etc.)
6. Makes a choice to leave or not leave a note behind.
I note you went through and tried to choose something that you would dispute. Weak, very weak. What about the rest. You only selectively chose that particular one as if they have no right to speak. You want a choice yet want to deny others their choice.
I am at work and do not have the luxury to watch them in their entirety yet. But I will. I am sure they'll be enlightening.
I'm not trying to go crazy off topic, and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing that suicide is or is not a choice, I will say this.
For not being a choice, the person who commits suicide sure makes lots of choices before the act. For example, the person:
1. Makes a choice on when to commit suicide (i.e., today, tomorrow, next week?)
2. Makes a choice on where to commit suicide (i.e., house, park, isolated area)
3. Makes a choice on how to commit suicide (i.e., jump off a building, gun shot, hanging, drowning)
4. Makes a choice acquiring what is needed to commit the “how” (i.e., gun, rope, belts, poison, etc.)
5. Makes a choice on the preparation needed to commit suicide (i.e., sell all belongings, etc.)
6. Makes a choice to leave or not a note behind.
well, if you really don't try to go crazy off topic, then maybe just accept the possibility that
Identical twins' genes are not identical.
This is the point I was trying to make. If you are not open to this possibility, that is fine by me too. To each his/her own.
The bottom line, If something as simple as poodle coat color is controlled by nine different genes, imagine how many genes go into complex traits like sexual behavior. It is not about "choice". It is not that simple.
add: as a person who has lost several loved ones to suicide, I can tell you suicide is not as simple as a "choice". It is way more complicated than that.
Reading opinions like this piece of garbage make me grateful I don't live below the Mason Dixon line. Seriously some of you proudly proclaim your ignorance and backwardness like it's a good thing SMH. What an asinine opinion.
Your lust has blinded you. God rejects homosexual behavior. Your modern psycho babble has ruined a society.
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Are you a Christian or some other faith? Don't think I have ever heard a single Christian ever say that the Old Testament is more important than the New Testament... without the New Testament Christianity does not even exist. How can Christianity possibly be corrupted by the New Testament, when it is the New Testament that defines Christianity in the first place!? Absolutely bizarre train of logic.
