Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
But getting people to believe the 2nd will be overturned or their guns confiscated is probably the #1 marketing tool of the arms industry.
Nice try. But that's being done by politicians and other paranoid individuals, many of whom have the power to put some of their unconstitutional threats into law.
How many of these people work for the gun industry?
--------------------------------------------
"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come." - then-Senator Joseph Biden; quoted by AP, 1993-11-18
"Yes, I'm denying you your rights." - Tom Bradley (Los Angeles Mayor), on constitutional rights at a "Save the Brady Bill" rally; from article by Steve Comus, Western Outdoor News, 1992-09-04
"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that .... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime." - Mary Ann Carlson (Vermont state Senator)
"We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases." - William L. Clay (US Representative, D-MO, St. Louis); "NRA-Backed Measure May Derail Brady Bill", by Robert L. Koenig, St. Louis Post Dispatch, p. 1A, 1993-05-08
"And we should - then every community in the country could then start doing major weapon sweeps and then destroying the weapons, not selling them." - Bill Clinton (US President)
"If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own handguns ...." - Richard Daley (Chicago Mayor); Federal gun legislation press conference in Washington, D.C., 1998-11-13
"You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state." - Michael Dukakis (Massachusetts Governor); in conversation with Mike Yacino (Massachusetts Gun Owners' Action League) and Roy Innis (Congress of Racial Equality), 1986-06-16
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." - Dianne Feinstein (US Senator, D-CA); 60 Minutes, 1995-02-05
"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State". - Heinrich Himmler
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms." - Adolf Hitler; Edict of March 18, 1938.
"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal. - Janet Reno (US Attorney General), 1993-12-10
Guns are becoming more popular each year. Most states have adopted concealed carry in the last 10 years than ever before and it seems like more states are going permitless carry.
Actually, your facts are somewhat "alternative"......
A small percentage of the population each owns an arsenal, but fewer people own, shoot, carry, hunt, etc.
6% of the population hunt. The hunting population is aging. These figures are down about 50% from even the 1970's.
About 1/4 of Americans own a gun (or more than one)....but here is a BIG one.....3% of the population own 1/2 the guns in the USA.
So the "increase" is really in "gun nuts" who have become obsessed and may have 20 or more firearms. Some claim over a 100 guns.
Now let's do a little math. Since 2-3% of the male population are psychopaths......how long until the next mass murder?
Nice try. But that's being done by politicians and other paranoid individuals, many of whom have the power to put some of their unconstitutional threats into law.
How many of these people work for the gun industry?
--------------------------------------------
"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come." - then-Senator Joseph Biden; quoted by AP, 1993-11-18
"Yes, I'm denying you your rights." - Tom Bradley (Los Angeles Mayor), on constitutional rights at a "Save the Brady Bill" rally; from article by Steve Comus, Western Outdoor News, 1992-09-04
"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that .... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime." - Mary Ann Carlson (Vermont state Senator)
"We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases." - William L. Clay (US Representative, D-MO, St. Louis); "NRA-Backed Measure May Derail Brady Bill", by Robert L. Koenig, St. Louis Post Dispatch, p. 1A, 1993-05-08
"And we should - then every community in the country could then start doing major weapon sweeps and then destroying the weapons, not selling them." - Bill Clinton (US President)
"If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own handguns ...." - Richard Daley (Chicago Mayor); Federal gun legislation press conference in Washington, D.C., 1998-11-13
"You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state." - Michael Dukakis (Massachusetts Governor); in conversation with Mike Yacino (Massachusetts Gun Owners' Action League) and Roy Innis (Congress of Racial Equality), 1986-06-16
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." - Dianne Feinstein (US Senator, D-CA); 60 Minutes, 1995-02-05
"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State". - Heinrich Himmler
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms." - Adolf Hitler; Edict of March 18, 1938.
"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal. - Janet Reno (US Attorney General), 1993-12-10
But..."Nobody wants to confiscate firearms!" "Nobody is talking about coming for your guns!" "Nobody wants to ban all private firearms. You can keep your 'sporting' guns!" And finally.. with all the use of the phrase I have not seen anything resembling "common sense" come out of the rabbit breed banners mouths.
What they call common sense is telling us what it is we "need." "Nobody needs an AR 15." Though they usually use the term assault rifle in this context as a catch all for semi auto firearms in general. And regarding that, I'm going to be totally honest, the anti types didn't start that misuse of terms. The firearms press and gun dealers did. They stopped using it back in the late 80s early 90s after Patrick Purdey's shooting spree in Stockton.
I was living in Reno then, and there was one rather popular gun store (that I never went back to after one visit) that catered to cammo crowd. We call them the "tacticools" now. They and other stores pushed "assault" this and that, "tactical" this and that, "combat" this and that, their clerks wore uniforms. The antis came by a lot of their bogus terminology from this sort of thing.
Lets clarify before I go further. I am not a "Fudd." I unabashedly support the right to personal weapons, to form militia in defense of our communities (not just against government coup but criminal threat) and that we should have access to firearms in current service use. That is the AR 15 platform and similar types in use by other countries that fire the same ammunition and other various service calibers.
I'm OK with the semi auto regulation on commercial firearms, Some disagree and I understand the points there, this is just my personal take. I, me, myself, not anyone else, do not personally need full auto or burst capability. I do however need semi auto, commercial make variants of service style weapons. What that need is, is my business.
That said, firearms owners have oft been our own worst enemy in regards to the terminology used in regard to guns and gear. We have probably all been guilty of projecting a negative image to non shooters, even those who support the 2A or would with factual and proper education on the subject.
Unfortunately, in past times and it's still happening now, portrayal of the shooting community and the guns and gear we use is being projected in ways that give the antis things to use against us and further a negative image. I see publications on the magazine stands at the store with "combat", "tactical", "stopping power"all in conjunction with pictures of modern firearms.
The actual articles don't focus on these aspects but it's what's on the cover that sells. Shooters are being portrayed as being hung up on combat and lethal application of firearms. I haven't bought a firearms magazine in years now. There is one publication aimed entirely at law enforcement that is worse in it's glaring projection of combat tactics, tactical(cool) application, terminal performance of ammunition, and the articles in this rag can resemble war porn. And it's target audience is cops.
Articles on self/home defense by authors like Massad Ayoob (who crosses between police and citizen) are full of good information that people who own firearms for defensive purposes need to be responsible people, but the covers of the magazines they write for project anything but responsibility and thinking people. Folks who aren't shooters could easily see publications that advocate for lethal force as a first option. For citizens and law enforcement both.
Personally, I would like to see a ....reevaluation...by the shooting community of various aspects of our image projection. These aspects have given the anti firearms types points to use against us, and we have nobody to blame but our own for that. That's an ...uncomfortable...fact. But a fact none the less.
Actually, your facts are somewhat "alternative"......
A small percentage of the population each owns an arsenal, but fewer people own, shoot, carry, hunt, etc.
6% of the population hunt. The hunting population is aging. These figures are down about 50% from even the 1970's.
Maybe where you live. Hunting is still a huge part of rural living in the US. We have shooting clubs in 4H that teach gun rules and hunting laws. Most kids still start hunting in elementary school. Hunter safety classes are full.
And that's a personal choice. Shall the rest of us be disarmed because of the poor impulse control of a few?
No one is asking you to disarm. I was merely pointing out that there are far less suicides in homes without guns. Yes, a lot of suicides are impulsive. Thinking someone is trying to disarm you is a sign of paranoia and paranoia is a symptom of mental disease. Should those with mental disease be allowed to play with guns? Just asking.
There were a lot of ingrained aspects of cultures that got ditched. Slavery, womens' subservience, human sacrifice just to name a few. The gun thing isn't somehow special.
I believe that only a certain demographic in America is staunchly pro gun and that is the less educated, more rural Whites. I live very far from that subculture and literally don't know a single person who has a gun or even thinks 2nd Amendment is a great idea. It is mostly a rural White thing and due to demographic changes at some point we are likely to see an abandonment of 2nd Amendment in national politics.
No one is asking you to disarm. I was merely pointing out that there are far less suicides in homes without guns. Yes, a lot of suicides are impulsive. Thinking someone is trying to disarm you is a sign of paranoia and paranoia is a symptom of mental disease. Should those with mental disease be allowed to play with guns? Just asking.
"There are far less suicides in homes without guns?" think that is a rather blithe assumption that people don't check out via other means. Last I checked, swallowing a whole bottle of pills was a popular method and accounts for a lot of suicides. As is hanging and jumping off of high places. Then there's the old firing up the car in the garage and..well you get the point.
Firearms don't cause people to kill themselves by their mere presence. They are just another method among many.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
