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Old 11-30-2017, 04:40 PM
 
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Has ZERO to do with the public school system.


I was replying to this portion of your post:

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There will never be an even playing field until all parents are equal in their responsibilities. Work on that issue - it's the only one that will ever result in change.
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Old 11-30-2017, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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What's the biggest problem?

Lack of funding, lack of proper parenting etc.?

I can tell you the only fundamental difference between a good school and a bad school is the students or lack of proper parenting.

No amount of money will fix that.
Of course it will. There are a number of examples where schools have been able to deal with poorly parented children. In Las Vegas the Agassi Academy does reasonably well. And there are numerous exceptional schools which do deal with the problem of poor kids with poor parenting.

So it can be done. The problem is spreading it widely and getting it to work. And it will cost.
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Old 11-30-2017, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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It is a great example had you done the teeniest amount of reading on the background of this school and what is expected of the students.

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Has ZERO to do with the public school system.
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I was replying to this portion of your post:
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There will never be an even playing field until all parents are equal in their responsibilities. Work on that issue - it's the only one that will ever result in change.


Parents who send their children to Charter Schools care about their children getting an education. They are responsible parents. That's not the group of parent's who do not get involved and don't place any importance on school and education. Two different groups - so posting about how successful the students are in Charter Schools only proves my point.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:21 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Nonsense. It is quite true that money alone will not fix a busted school system. But money may well have a significant role if you go about it with care and a good plan. Kansas City was a desegregation effort that would hopefully improve performance. It did not result in desegregation or improvements in performance. In fact less than half the increased money made it to the classroom. It was also sabotaged by local conditions such as the politics and the schools as a source of employment rather than education.
Appatently you missed all the money spent on top notch facilities and classroom resources in the Kansas City experiment. Didn't make one bit of difference.

Funding isn't the problem.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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Appatently you missed all the money spent on top notch facilities and classroom resources in the Kansas City experiment. Didn't make one bit of difference.

Funding isn't the problem.
I really don’t think they care about the children. They just want our money.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Appatently you missed all the money spent on top notch facilities and classroom resources in the Kansas City experiment. Didn't make one bit of difference.

Funding isn't the problem.
Please. lovely facilities are nice to have. They have virtually no impact on education unless they are bad.

Even a right winger like you should realize that. Learning is not improved by a gilded classroom. May even be hurt.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:55 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Please. lovely facilities are nice to have. They have virtually no impact on education unless they are bad.
in Kansas City... Top notch educational equipment and classroom supplies made no difference. Small class sizes made no difference.

Funding isn't the problem.
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Old 11-30-2017, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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in Kansas City... Top notch educational equipment and classroom supplies made no difference. Small class sizes made no difference.

Funding isn't the problem.
BS. Nice facilities do not make a sizable difference we agree. But carry it to an extreme. We have a first rate teacher with 5 students. Do you really want to assert they will not do well?
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Old 12-01-2017, 03:49 AM
 
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Parents who send their children to Charter Schools care about their children getting an education. They are responsible parents. That's not the group of parent's who do not get involved and don't place any importance on school and education. Two different groups - so posting about how successful the students are in Charter Schools only proves my point.
Again, had you read ANYTHING about KIPP, you'd see that not all of the kids there have "parents who care" which was my whole point in posting about it.

Wow.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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You know why charter schools work well? Not everyone gets in.
It's a lottery system based on a selective process.
huh? In California and Nevada if you want to enroll your kid in a charter school you fill out a form and the school pulls names randomly until they add as many students as they have openings, there is no selective process
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