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The group of people interested in sending their children to Charter Schools is self-selecting. You misinterpreted what I wrote.
You also ignore what I wrote when I said it's a lottery system based on other requirements. And those requirements will not be met by people who don't care about their child's education or students who don't care about school.
Some requirements might be meeting with parents, grades, an essay written by the student, etc.
Charter Schools use a lottery system but the pool of applicants aren't 'all student's, nor are they the disruptive students found in the public school system. Those students wouldn't have the grades, they wouldn't care enough to write an essay and they probably don't have parents who care enough to take the time to go to a mandatory family meeting along with filling out a lot of paperwork.
My statement stands - there will never be equality in education because not all parents care about education and not all children are raised to respect authority.
You pointing to Charter School does nothing but prove my point. Those parents care about education and so do their children. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother to jump through the hoops to get their kid in those schools and those students wouldn't gain admission without the grades or passing the assessment exam or writing an essay, etc.
What are these other requirements?
I'm telling you, you are incorrect. Charter schools, by law, can not have any selection system - not grades, not an essay, etc. - for admission. It can only be by random lottery. And "applying" to a charter school is not a lot of paperwork. In most cases its a one sheet form asking for the student's basic information.
Absolutely none of the nonsense cited on that link happen in California or Nevada, those requirements are prohibited by state law so the "author" of that article is full of it. Even public schools ask for a commitment of time from parents but there is no enforcement mechanism, and there is none in charter schools either- what do you think they do, expel the kid if mom doesn't show up on her 'volunteer day'?
Try to find a decent source because that one is just made up crap.
Absolutely none of the nonsense cited on that link happen in California or Nevada, those requirements are prohibited by state law so the "author" of that article is full of it. Even public schools ask for a commitment of time from parents but there is no enforcement mechanism, and there is none in charter schools either- what do you think they do, expel the kid if mom doesn't show up on her 'volunteer day'?
Try to find a decent source because that one is just made up crap.
So you're throwing what happens in other states out the window simply because it doesn't happen in CA and Nevada?
You're right - you are 2sleepy.
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Originally Posted by Magritte25
What are these other requirements?
I'm telling you, you are incorrect. Charter schools, by law, can not have any selection system - not grades, not an essay, etc. - for admission. It can only be by random lottery. And "applying" to a charter school is not a lot of paperwork. In most cases its a one sheet form asking for the student's basic information.
Magritte, you wouldn't be asking if you had read the article. They can include family meetings, grade criteria, a written essay done by the student.
The article even states that Charter Schools have thrown hundreds of students out. It's not a situation where anyone can go and do the same thing they're doing in the public school system while the teacher tries to work with the problem students.
Wanted to note on these that it depends on the district and how the funds are spent. Gates funded a high school in Atlanta with very dismal academic achievement (if you could call it achievement) and today that school is one of the best in that district and is nearly 90% proficient on state tests and they still have sports and arts programs (which your first 11 year old link stated is the reason why all the good students left the CO school - they took away arts, music, and sports - as I noted earlier in this thread, extra-curriculars are a motivating factor for students to come to and do well in school for some kids).
So you're throwing what happens in other states out the window simply because it doesn't happen in CA and Nevada? You're right - you are 2sleepy.
No, that's not true, if you click on the link that takes you to the source they are quoting from: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...30215?irpc=932, you will see that the author claims that those admission procedures happen in California
"And from New Hampshire to California, charter schools large and small, honored and obscure, have developed complex application processes that can make it tough for students who struggle with disability, limited English skills, academic deficits or chaotic family lives to even get into the lottery"
That's just not true, specific admission procedures are specifically forbidden by state law.
I have no problem with the rich having "better" schools. If they can fund a private school, more power to 'em. But, any school supported via taxes, as public schools are, should all be equal in quality of facility, staff, and curriculum.
The populace is NOT well-educated. I and a lot of other people resent having to pay taxes to subsidize a virtual education monopoly (public education) that is less than mediocre, at best, despite spending the most on education among industrialized countries (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-educ...t-study-shows/).
The NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress)...
Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above:
Are some groups just less intelligent than others? Or is something else going on? We already know it's not lack of funding causing the significant difference in results. Some of the school districts with the worst results spend among the most $ per student, such as Camden, NJ and Washington, DC.
Most inner-city school districts don't have certified math teachers. It's been that way for decades now.
There are African-American students who are very quick and deep thinkers. This fact remains true despite the fact that intelligence demonstrated on the part of Africans was interpreted as uppity and insurrectional.
Masses of Africans were killed whenever they exhibited outward signs of intelligence...
The populace is NOT well-educated. I and a lot of other people resent having to pay taxes to subsidize a virtual education monopoly (public education) that is less than mediocre, at best, despite spending the most on education among industrialized countries (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-educ...t-study-shows/).
The NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress)...
Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above:
Are some groups just less intelligent than others? Or is something else going on? We already know it's not lack of funding causing the significant difference in results. Some of the school districts with the worst results spend among the most $ per student, such as Camden, NJ and Washington, DC.
Intriguing. Let us gloat that given miserable overall numbers we feature being less bad than the others.
Perhaps a more intelligent response would be what strategies would lift all boats?
The populace is NOT well-educated. I and a lot of other people resent having to pay taxes to subsidize a virtual education monopoly (public education) that is less than mediocre, at best, despite spending the most on education among industrialized countries (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-educ...t-study-shows/).
The NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress)...
Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above:
Are some groups just less intelligent than others? Or is something else going on? We already know it's not lack of funding causing the significant difference in results. Some of the school districts with the worst results spend among the most $ per student, such as Camden, NJ and Washington, DC.
Most inner-city school districts don't have certified math teachers. It's been that way for decades now.
There are African-American students who are very quick and deep thinkers. This fact remains true despite the fact that intelligence demonstrated on the part of Africans was interpreted as uppity and insurrectional.
Masses of Africans were killed whenever they exhibited outward signs of intelligence during slavery and the dreadful days of Jim Crow.
I contend, that given an excellent education in both mathematics and english, most African-Americans would fare quite well, if given the opportunity.
Advanced writing skills and a fundamental grasp of mathematics are key factors in today's economy.
Of course, the primary problem with African-Americans continues to be opportunity...
Most inner-city school districts don't have certified math teachers. It's been that way for decades now.
There are African-American students who are very quick and deep thinkers. This fact remains true despite the fact that intelligence demonstrated on the part of Africans was interpreted as uppity and insurrectional.
Masses of Africans were killed whenever they exhibited outward signs of intelligence...
More than 80% of them? Look at the NAEP data. Who on earth are you trying to fool?
I think the data is appalling, and I have NO clue why minorities don't do something about it. 2/3 of adult Blacks and Hispanics favor school vouchers, yet they stupidly keep voting for Democrats. They're voting FOR their own children's educational and therefore socioeconomic oppression. Can't do the default "blame whitey" when they deliberately cast their votes against their own children's best interest. /SMH
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