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Old 11-12-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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The counties that supported Clinton have 75% of the U.S. economic output.

Basically educated, productive folks hate Trump and ignorant moochers love Trump.
So the "rich" people supported Clinton then while the average folks, voted Trump....

And you guys are whining its the GOP thats the party of the rich.. your own fact states thats wrong..
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Are you saying the chart I posted at the top is a lie? Go to indeed.com: over 300,000 job openings posted there right now.

Massive gas taxes? 12 cents is massive? That was done just to keep up with inflation. I've seen the list of projects that will get built using this tax money -- I'll gladly pay a couple of bucks per fillup to see them get built.
Oh, when did gasoline taxes have to "keep up with inflation?"

I'm a former San Diegan and my wife is a native. We left because of the massive constantly increasing taxes and cost of living in CA. There is a housing shortage in San Diego because builders won't build the kind of tract homes anymore that were affordable when we bought our first house there (Mira Mesa) in 1972. They can't make a profit building them. They are only building luxury homes and condos.

I have Facebook friends in CA, and they are extremely angry at the recent 12 cent/gal gas tax increase. Jerry Brown's California is a mess. He was a failure as governor when we lived there. I can't believe they gave him a third and fourth term (not all consecutive, of course)! He shouldn't have been allowed to run ever again. His father was also a failure.

It's people like you that ruined California.
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:22 AM
 
Location: USA
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So the "rich" people supported Clinton then while the average folks, voted Trump....

And you guys are whining its the GOP thats the party of the rich.. your own fact states thats wrong..
Both parties are the party of the rich. That should be painfully obvious by now.
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The counties that supported Clinton have 75% of the U.S. economic output.

Basically educated, productive folks hate Trump and ignorant moochers love Trump.

Your argument is stupid and wrong....this silly narrative has been proven wrong by all legitimate sources....why continue lying?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7a23d85d5f69

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lass/83972800/
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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I can't speak for other states, but Montana can not emulate California!
The Montana State Constitution REQUIRES a balanced budget! If the Legislature can not or will not balance the budget, the Governor is required to make cuts in state spending wherever he can, to bring the budget in balance. That is why we are about to have a special session of the Legislature: Projected spending exceeds projected revenue. That is not allowed!
So, MT cannot emulate the deficit spending for which CA is famous.
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:35 AM
 
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Your argument is stupid and wrong....this silly narrative has been proven wrong by all legitimate sources....why continue lying?
You are lying. There is no debate that the counties that support Clinton are the richest, most productive counties in the U.S., and comprise the vast bulk of U.S. output.

Basically the strongest indicators for last Presidential election were education and productivity. The more educated and productive, the higher the support for Clinton. The less educated and poorer, the higher the support for Trump.

The richest and most productive county in the U.S., Manhattan, had the lowest support for Trump. The poorest counties in the U.S., mostly in Appalachia, had the highest support for Trump.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-a...utput-america/
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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You are lying. There is no debate that the counties that support Clinton are the richest, most productive counties in the U.S., and comprise the vast bulk of U.S. output.

Basically the strongest indicators for last Presidential election were education and productivity. The more educated and productive, the higher the support for Clinton. The less educated and poorer, the higher the support for Trump.

The richest and most productive county in the U.S., Manhattan, had the lowest support for Trump. The poorest counties in the U.S., mostly in Appalachia, had the highest support for Trump.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-a...utput-america/
That means absolutely nothing you don't get to just cherry pick one little stat to try and prove your point.

The poorest people in Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore, Miami, Cleveland, etc also voted for the Democrats. The poorest counties in Appalachia only have a population of 3,000 people.

The poorest districts in Philadelphia, Miami and so on have tens of thousands of people.
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Old 11-12-2017, 02:00 PM
 
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big population doesn't translate to higher per capita. that's why the US is not number 1 despite being the richest country. same thing with CA. that biggest economy/richest state thing wont translate to higher per capita GDP
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Old 11-12-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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I've lived in a place where I made six figures that all got sucked up by rent. I've also lived in a place where I made 70% of that but only half was sucked up by rent. I definitely felt richer in the latter place.

Anyways, basic accounting says that wealth comes from profit, not revenue alone.
problem is, you don't find a lot of 6-figure income in Kansas or other cheap states otherwise, we would be moving there in droves
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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You are lying. There is no debate that the counties that support Clinton are the richest, most productive counties in the U.S., and comprise the vast bulk of U.S. output.

Basically the strongest indicators for last Presidential election were education and productivity. The more educated and productive, the higher the support for Clinton. The less educated and poorer, the higher the support for Trump.

The richest and most productive county in the U.S., Manhattan, had the lowest support for Trump. The poorest counties in the U.S., mostly in Appalachia, had the highest support for Trump.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-a...utput-america/
Counties don't vote, people vote. The higher income people in the counties across the United States were more likely to vote for Trump than they were Hillary. Lower income and less productive people across the nation voted for Hillary. If you want to use counties as voters, Trump won the majority in over 80% of the counties so I'm fine with changing the Electoral votes by county.


https://talkpoverty.org/2016/11/16/s...rumps-victory/
"This is consistent with analysis of exit polls from the primary, which found that the median household income of Trump voters—about $72,000—was significantly higher than the median household income of the country as a whole—about $56,000. It was also higher than that of the average Clinton and Sanders voters—about $61,000 each."

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