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Old 02-16-2018, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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You first. Turn em in.
That might be a final solution.

 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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That might be a final solution.
You, and I as law abiding citizens would turn them in if required by law. However, there would still be millions of guns held illegally by criminals. It wouldn't solve a thing if only the law abiding turned in their guns. Also, some law abiding may not even turn them in requiring a door to door illegal search of everyone to make sure they are turned in. Do you think that is Constitutional, and a prudent thing for our government law enforcement to do?
 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:17 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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So the answer is to ban, and confiscate legally owned rifles like the AR-15, and all other traditional, semi auto hunting rifles, and shotguns? Since semi auto handguns are used by far in most crime, then ban them too? So we leave bolt, and lever action rifles, and single shot, and pump shotguns, and revolvers?

What happens when shootings don't stop, because they won't? What's next?
I agree. Those laws are as effective as metal detectors in stopping someone hoping to meet the 72 virgins. I.e. they'll find another way.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I've heard that criminal slant being tossed about. Don't know how much truth there is in it.

How many times have you personally been confronted and forced to shoot someone? It happens but very rare from what I've read.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:27 AM
 
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Anything can be solved if you put your mind to it. Especially this problem.
Until you show me that wonderful green pasture of compromise between the ideologies of the left and right on this subject, then I say no, not everything can be solved. Too many minds with too many opinions. And each time something horrific like this recent school shooting occurs, all it does in my eyes is highlight the huge divide in the debate.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:29 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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I've heard that criminal slant being tossed about. Don't know how much truth there is in it.

How many times have you personally been confronted and forced to shoot someone? It happens but very rare from what I've read.
Good point, except that if the bad actors have reason to fear that others are armed they are less apt to try something bad. If they know that others are unarmed and helpless that's another story. The incidents that don't happen are as important as the ones that do.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Until you show me that wonderful green pasture of compromise between the ideologies of the left and right on this subject, then I say no, not everything can be solved. To many minds with too many opinions. And each time something horrific like this recent school shooting occurs, all it does in my eyes is highlight the huge divide in the debate.
It does highlight the great divide in our country. It boils down to giving up freedom, for a false sense of more security, and safety. More laws won't stop violent crime, nor the mentally ill committing horrible acts. However, many people just want government to DO SOMETHING, anything, to give them a sense of having some power over random acts of violence, and other crime. I guess it is human nature. I don't get it.

Life has risks, we can try to mitigate some, but there will always be risk. Then we all die anyway.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Good point, except that if the bad actors have reason to fear that others are armed they are less apt to try something bad. If they know that others are unarmed and helpless that's another story. The incidents that don't happen are as important as the ones that do.
The question then becomes would you actually pull the trigger and kill someone? Morally, how many people could? The thing is if you do pull out the weapon in the situation where you think its necessary, shoot because if you hesitate for a moment the other person will kill you.

But how many times does a situation like that occur? That you would even have the opportunity to take action. I'm sure in the recent Las Vegas shooting people did have weapons but what good did it do them? The interesting thing about that guy is that he was an investment accountant. And apparently quite wealthy. But on a whim ...
 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:46 AM
 
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you, and i as law abiding citizens would turn them in if required by law. However, there would still be millions of guns held illegally by criminals. It wouldn't solve a thing if only the law abiding turned in their guns. Also, some law abiding may not even turn them in requiring a door to door illegal search of everyone to make sure they are turned in. Do you think that is constitutional, and a prudent thing for our government law enforcement to do?
yes.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:51 AM
 
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yes.
So let me get this straight......... you believe that doing something in direct violation of the constitution is constitutional?
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