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Old 02-16-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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The AR-15 is a very popular hunting rifle. It is also a very popular rifle for target shooting, competition, and home defense. I have several rifles more powerful, and potentially dangerous as an AR-15, but they just don't LOOK as scary to all you anti freedom types.
Hmmm -- not sure that folks think the AR-15 looks 'scarier' than other rifles and guns. I think folks think of them as more dangerous because they seem to be the weapon of choice for these mass killers.

Am I right in assuming now that the AR-15 is the common weapon more because it is such a popular rifle -- not necessarily because it is the most dangerous one available?

 
Old 02-16-2018, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Exactly. The same is true of cars and knives and swimming pools, which the gun enthusiasts also love to cite as being dangerous. Except all of those things have a central purpose which doesn't include killing.

What is the purpose of a handgun or a semiautomatic weapon? There's only one thing they are created to do.
All your statements are true, this stuff is just common sense. And most of the 2A extremists KNOW that it is true. They just can't come out and say what they really believe in their hearts, because they will lose credibility. The truth is that either consciously or subconsciously they KNOW that restricting access or banning guns like the AR-15 and similar weapons would reduce mass killings in our country - but the reality is that they don't care. They believe that their "right" to bear arms is more important than the lives of the victims. Plus, the odds are good that one of these events will never affect them personally. That's the story, pure and simple. I'd have a lot more respect for them if they would just come out and speak the truth about it, instead of the pretzel logic arguments and the fairy tales.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 07:40 AM
 
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Hmmm -- not sure that folks think the AR-15 looks 'scarier' than other rifles and guns. I think folks think of them as more dangerous because they seem to be the weapon of choice for these mass killers.

Am I right in assuming now that the AR-15 is the common weapon more because it is such a popular rifle -- not necessarily because it is the most dangerous one available?
Yes that is correct as far as rifles go........ but still not as common as handguns.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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All your statements are true, this stuff is just common sense. And most of the 2A extremists KNOW that it is true. They just can't come out and say what they really believe in their hearts, because they will lose credibility. The truth is that they either consciously or subconsciously they KNOW that restricting access or banning guns like the AR-15 and similar weapons would reduce mass killings in our country - but the reality is that they don't care. They believe that their "right" to bear arms is more important than the lives of the victims. And odds are good that one of these events will never affect them personally. That's the story, pure and simple. I'd have a lot more respect for them if they would just come out and speak the truth about it.
Which constitutionally protected rights do you deem worth human life?
 
Old 02-16-2018, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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All your statements are true, this stuff is just common sense. And most of the 2A extremists KNOW that it is true. They just can't come out and say what they really believe in their hearts, because they will lose credibility. The truth is that either consciously or subconsciously they KNOW that restricting access or banning guns like the AR-15 and similar weapons would reduce mass killings in our country - but the reality is that they don't care. They believe that their "right" to bear arms is more important than the lives of the victims. Plus, the odds are good that one of these events will never affect them personally. That's the story, pure and simple. I'd have a lot more respect for them if they would just come out and speak the truth about it, instead of the pretzel logic arguments and the fairy tales.
Well gun rights activists would have more respect for anti gunners if they were actually educated on the subject. Many of the don't know what they are talking about. They repeat the same falsehoods over and over based on incorrect information they hear elsewhere.
Most don't know what an assault weapon is, but call it that because the anti gunners keep incorrectly calling evil looking black rifles assault weapons over and over and they incorrectly buy into it over time. The media keeps calling them that too. Most say ban them, but guns for hunting are ok. Many of those same people have no idea that a hunting rifle and ar 15 can do the same thing functionally. You can explain why but they won't listen and continue screaming.
That is why you won't get a discussion between the two sides. One refuses to look at things realistically. You can't have an informed discussion between two sides when one of them refuses to be informed.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Which constitutionally protected rights do you deem worth human life?
Not sure what you mean by that, but I think that you are acknowledging that what I was saying is true. Extremist gun right advocates KNOW that the ready availability of weapons of mass/rapid lethality like the AR-15 is directly correlated to the exponential increase in mass shooting casualties, but they believe that their 2A amendment rights are so vital that they are willing to accept these deaths as a necessary price to pay to maintain those rights. Furthermore, they understand clearly that the odds are good that THEY are unlikely to be affected by one of these shooters.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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All your statements are true, this stuff is just common sense. And most of the 2A extremists KNOW that it is true. They just can't come out and say what they really believe in their hearts, because they will lose credibility. The truth is that either consciously or subconsciously they KNOW that restricting access or banning guns like the AR-15 and similar weapons would reduce mass killings in our country - but the reality is that they don't care. They believe that their "right" to bear arms is more important than the lives of the victims. Plus, the odds are good that one of these events will never affect them personally. That's the story, pure and simple. I'd have a lot more respect for them if they would just come out and speak the truth about it, instead of the pretzel logic arguments and the fairy tales.
Those who stand by the constitution as the reason to own a gun also use the protection logic the solidify their argument of the right to bear arms. Thing is, most normal thinking logical people with regards to gun control are really talking about the types of weapons you mention, something more than a simple handgun. Does someone need an AR-15 to protect themselves?
 
Old 02-16-2018, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Well gun rights activists would have more respect for anti gunners if they were actually educated on the subject. Many of the don't know what they are talking about. They repeat the same falsehoods over and over based on incorrect information they hear elsewhere.
Most don't know what an assault weapon is, but call it that because the anti gunners keep incorrectly calling evil looking black rifles assault weapons over and over and they incorrectly buy into it over time. The media keeps calling them that too. Most say ban them, but guns for hunting are ok. Many of those same people have no idea that a hunting rifle and ar 15 can do the same thing functionally. You can explain why but they won't listen and continue screaming.
That is why you won't get a discussion between the two sides. One refuses to look at things realistically. You can't have an informed discussion between two sides when one of them refuses to be informed.
Nice swerve around the topic at hand, as usual. Thanks for emphasizing my point so clearly to all the readers.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: USA
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Well gun rights activists would have more respect for anti gunners if they were actually educated on the subject. Many of the don't know what they are talking about. They repeat the same falsehoods over and over based on incorrect information they hear elsewhere.
Most don't know what an assault weapon is, but call it that because the anti gunners keep incorrectly calling evil looking black rifles assault weapons over and over and they incorrectly buy into it over time. The media keeps calling them that too. Most say ban them, but guns for hunting are ok. Many of those same people have no idea that a hunting rifle and ar 15 can do the same thing functionally. You can explain why but they won't listen and continue screaming.
That is why you won't get a discussion between the two sides. One refuses to look at things realistically. You can't have an informed discussion between two sides when one of them refuses to be informed.
They don't want to be informed, nor educated as the deal in falsehoods, and EMOTION. They have bought into the big government should control anything mantra.

More Gun Control is not about reducing violence by criminals using guns. It is purely about further control of the LAW ABIDING populace, and making them more dependent on government.

 
Old 02-16-2018, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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This is another old saw, self-shooting guns. Anything to take attention away from the fact that a weapon of mass destruction, the AR-15, was used by an ordinary person to kill children.

Are you saying we should ban only guns that shoot by themselves? Is that your solution?
Naw, lets get rid of 'em, all 300 million+ and who knows how many billions of bullets. I'm sure you have a realistic way to accomplish that without causing a civil war or violating the 4th Amendment.

Luckily people are dumb and can't figure out how a 100+ year old technology works and metal can't be formed into other things without voodoo magic so don't have to worry about anyone making new ones either.

As for the hundreds of millions of guns outside the USA, we can rest easy because illegal things are scared of laws and will never come into the country again, just like drugs.
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