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Old 02-19-2018, 05:54 AM
 
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Exactly and the truth is many of our founding fathers and ancestors didnt even like the various amendments to the constitution including George Washington. Most people still dont understand what the Bill of rights is , and what the Constitution is.

They just know they have tons of "rights" but no responsibilities
"They just know they have tons of "rights" but no responsibilities"

Which is shown everyday with the Lame Stream Media which complains when anyone ELSE complains about their outright biases.

 
Old 02-19-2018, 05:59 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Banning mass murderers' weapon of choice is reasonable. What is the opposite view? Give them to child killers? Train murderers how to kill the most people?
Guns don't make decisions for themselves and grabbing guns is impractical as well as unconstitutional. I agree that child killers should not get them. And I should not have had a bad cold a few weeks ago.

Still I want laws that ban weapons that are only of military value. That way, if someone is caught before committing a massacre, through social media or otherwise, merely having an arsenal is a crime. If the police or FBI had picked up on Nikolas Cruz, Devin Patrick Kelley or Stephen Paddock before the respective massacres, they would have been helpless other than to urge him to get help.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Sounds like some people in this forum have no problem with giving government the authority to decide who can own a gun and who can't. For whatever reason the govt feels like using. And to enforce it in whatever way they find necessary.

Have we already forgotten how strongly the Framers felt about that.... and why?

not me, I'm just being a realist, there is no way to stop these shooting without banning guns. These other suggestions on gun control are just feel good steps that don't prevent people from doing evil acts with firearms.

Many people propose "we need stricter gun laws" but they're not being honest, they know deep down you won't prevent gun violence with these half- measures they propose. In reality, it's about politics, they know a banning guns stance will lead to defeat at the ballot box. They're being dishonest
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:03 AM
 
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Thank you! I am trying to be realistic. Even if we had stricter gun laws; the criminals and those that plan to do evil things would not cooperate. Maybe years down the road the Country might be safer? But that would not solve the immediate problem: Protecting our schools. Everything should be on the table and politics will not help save our kids!

Our police use facial recognition to pick out the 'bad guys'; why not incorporate some of that technology to defend our schools. Once anybody is expelled their face could immediately be placed in the facial recognition data bank as an 'access denied'. We could create foyers that are bullet proof with electronic locks and maybe metal detectors? Maybe we could 'lock down' the individuals before they entered? Of course not every idea is a good idea; some don't work in practice. We have to have systems that will work and not hamper why we have our kids in school (to learn).

We also have to keep in mind that schools have another potential weak spot: the school buses. I almost hate to mention it because sometimes I feel we give the wrong people ideas. I hope that our authorities are also considering how to deal with an attack on a bus. That is also another case where student training could change the results of an attack.

It is obvious we have to do more. I just want to keep us focused on where is the best place to implement true, effective, change and save lives.
"Even if we had stricter gun laws; the criminals and those that plan to do evil things would not cooperate"

Wasn't it Timothy McVeigh who used fertilizer?

Can't we still by it?
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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"Even if we had stricter gun laws; the criminals and those that plan to do evil things would not cooperate"

Wasn't it Timothy McVeigh who used fertilizer?

Can't we still by it?
Sometimes I think its better to deal with the criminals than to put up with the massacres happening around the country. And, there will be more of these mass murders, that can be counted on.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:48 AM
 
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Still I want laws that ban weapons that are only of military value. That way, if someone is caught before committing a massacre, through social media or otherwise, merely having an arsenal is a crime. If the police or FBI had picked up on Nikolas Cruz, Devin Patrick Kelley or Stephen Paddock before the respective massacres, they would have been helpless other than to urge him to get help.
That's the way it should work. I have my doubts about people who own or defend owning AR-15s. The only thing they're the best at is killing a lot of people quickly. People who think they're "cool" are just one step away from some really terrible outcome.

NY has a strict gun control law. They call it the Safe Act. When they came out with it I was opposed. Now I see it was a good idea and necessary. It has a lot of pain in the butt things for gun owners about relicensing, magazine size, stuff I don't understand. Overall, it's a good idea.

If FL had a Safe Act those kids would be alive today.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Micronesia
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Sometimes I think its better to deal with the criminals than to put up with the massacres happening around the country. And, there will be more of these mass murders, that can be counted on.
The issue is, that your preferred methods would strip hundreds of millions of non criminal citizens of thier rights.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Micronesia
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That's the way it should work. I have my doubts about people who own or defend owning AR-15s. The only thing they're the best at is killing a lot of people quickly. People who think they're "cool" are just one step away from some really terrible outcome.

NY has a strict gun control law. They call it the Safe Act. When they came out with it I was opposed. Now I see it was a good idea and necessary. It has a lot of pain in the butt things for gun owners about relicensing, magazine size, stuff I don't understand. Overall, it's a good idea.

If FL had a Safe Act those kids would be alive today.
Again, you are incorrect as well as uninformed. Your assumptions are fabricated to fit your narrative and nothing more.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 06:57 AM
 
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Again, you are incorrect as well as uninformed. Your assumptions are fabricated to fit your narrative and nothing more.
No, you.
 
Old 02-19-2018, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Micronesia
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No, you.
A sentence, or even a verb, would be helpful in conveying your statement.
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