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Old 02-20-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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You're just acting stupid now.

The NRA is made up of all the gun manufactures and everyone in between.

You know... by definition that's what an ASSOCIATION is...
Incorrect.

NRA is made up of individual Americans, about 5 million of them.

NSSF is made up of gun manufactures and everyone in between.

Do you not know that?

 
Old 02-20-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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The people who say to ban ar-15's are really interesting. Why do people bring up solutions when they have ZERO knowledge about firearms? I wouldn't give anyone medical advice since I am not a doctor.

I can talk to people that are anti gun until i'm blue in the face. There is no reasoning with them because they are making irrational and emotional decisions when they have ZERO knowledge about the subject at hand. They ignore facts and let their emotions dictate their lives. Lets lay some things out.

There will no be assault weapons ban GUARANTEED. We have the house, senate, and president. If it flips in 2020 legislation could get passed but it wont do any good. There are millions and millions of semi auto rifles in possession in this county. With a ban looming sales will sky rocket and the majority of gun owners wont give them up. Look at crime stats from the last assault weapons ban. Did nothing. A few shootings should dictate millions of owners? Give me a break.

The only thing you might get now is an nics fix and thats it.

Here is how to fix school shootings.

Reporting to NICS needs an overhaul since it's broken. That kid should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm. Remove schools from gun free zones, and allow conceal carriers to carry on school property. National reciprocity needs to be passed. Start a training program for school workers to carry firearms in school. Hire armed security for schools, and upgrade schools to be more secure to restrict people from entering the building and individual classrooms.

Times are changing, and these psychos are picking easy targets. Guess what? Schools are easy targets. My solutions above makes them less of a target and protects our children.

We can all agree that we want our kids safe. I dont want psychos to have guns in their possession and neither do you. Law abiding gun owners want to be left alone. We are not the problem and we should have ZERO restrictions on what we do with firearms. Your solutions of more laws will do nothing. Look at the facts and stop solving problems with emotions. It's stupid.

FYI an ar-15 is not an assault weapon. AR stands for Armalite rifle the company that designed it. Saying this just shows your ignorance.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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Europe as stricter gun laws... they have more terrorist attacks too...

if people want to play the correlation/causation game
 
Old 02-20-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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Where do you live that multiple armed home invaders coming to get you and your family is a realistic concern?
United States of America.
C'mon dude, read the news.

Man robbed by 3 in armed home invasion overnight in Montgomery County, police say | WJLA

Search underway for 3 armed home invaders

Panorama City resident opens fire on intruders during violent home invasion | abc7.com

https://activeselfprotection.com/thr...ush-homeowner/
 
Old 02-20-2018, 08:47 AM
 
Location: MS
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Where do you live that multiple armed home invaders coming to get you and your family is a realistic concern?
Home invasions can happen anywhere at any time. Wile my zip code is about 10x below the national crime statistics, there have been two home invasions in the last few years.

It's like a house fire, they are extremely rare but the effects can be devastating. Insurance limits those effects. My gun is my insurance policy against a violent encounter.

I work from home and have for 12 years. While upstairs in my office, anyone could ring my front doorbell and I won't hear it. Their first thought is that no one is home. I won't notice anything until a break-in is in progress based on the location of my office. At that point I have no other choice but to protect myself and my family.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Israel, obviously.
In Israel the violent crime (Yes, including the terrorists) is about half of USA.
I'm currently in USA.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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The people who say to ban ar-15's are really interesting. Why do people bring up solutions when they have ZERO knowledge about firearms? I wouldn't give anyone medical advice since I am not a doctor.

I can talk to people that are anti gun until i'm blue in the face. There is no reasoning with them because they are making irrational and emotional decisions when they have ZERO knowledge about the subject at hand. They ignore facts and let their emotions dictate their lives. Lets lay some things out.

There will no be assault weapons ban GUARANTEED. We have the house, senate, and president. If it flips in 2020 legislation could get passed but it wont do any good. There are millions and millions of semi auto rifles in possession in this county. With a ban looming sales will sky rocket and the majority of gun owners wont give them up. Look at crime stats from the last assault weapons ban. Did nothing. A few shootings should dictate millions of owners? Give me a break.

The only thing you might get now is an nics fix and thats it.

Here is how to fix school shootings.

Reporting to NICS needs an overhaul since it's broken. That kid should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm. Remove schools from gun free zones, and allow conceal carriers to carry on school property. National reciprocity needs to be passed. Start a training program for school workers to carry firearms in school. Hire armed security for schools, and upgrade schools to be more secure to restrict people from entering the building and individual classrooms.

Times are changing, and these psychos are picking easy targets. Guess what? Schools are easy targets. My solutions above makes them less of a target and protects our children. It costs money and the American People can pay for it. Our kids are worth it.

We can all agree that we want our kids safe. I dont want psychos to have guns in their possession and neither do you. Law abiding gun owners want to be left alone. We are not the problem and we should have ZERO restrictions on what we do with firearms. Your solutions of more laws will do nothing. Look at the facts and stop solving problems with emotions. It's stupid.

FYI an ar-15 is not an assault weapon. Saying this just shows your ignorance. If you want to debate then you need to do some research.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 08:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Brave New World View Post
There are many types of mental health problems, and many people make a full recovery from mental illness. However just because you have mental health problems does not mean you should automatically be locked away. Furthermore given that the US has very few mental health beds per capita it would be impossible to offer all such people treatment without vastly increasing tax expenditure on mental health services and osychiatric hospitals.

The Police in the UK take the following position in relation to mental health issues and a person's 'fitness' to be entrusted with a firearm.
If you have mental health issues and you are deemed too dangerous to own a firearm, you are too dangerous to walk the streets. A firearm is just one of many tools that can be used to harm others.

But yes, not all mental health are equal and I am certainly not implying that someone with that is not dangerous should be incarcerated.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 08:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Ok, we've got this far into the thread without too much derailment or foaming at the mouth emotional rants.

Fact = banning the AR-15 will not stop mass shootings. So, where do we go from here?

Ban all firearms, ok what steps need taken. Does the Govt do a buy back and do they do it at market value? Do they compensate all the businesses that produce and sell firearms that will be put out of business? Restrict ammo sales?

Go another route and do more to protect soft targets that are the choice of killers?

What LEGAL options do we have to prevent future mass shootings.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Best of luck to small pockets of militia in rural America, armed with rifles, against the US Military. That isn't going to end well for them.
You know we are the Army right? Besides that, You think every unit in the standing Army is gonna kick Mom and Dads door in to collect guns? Or guys they were just deployed with because now they have been declared whack jobs with guns? Think about it will you?
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