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Originally Posted by Weichert
Such as AR-15. And anything similar.
So you are asked an honest question on what characteristics should be banned and all you can say is the magic anti gunner response for everything? AR-15?
Obviously you are not educated enough on the subject to discuss it if you can't list the features of an ar-15 you think are bad and have to use a canned response "ar-15"
Let's see,
ban ar-15 and anything similar?
trigger-ban all of them.
barrel-ban all of them.
uses bullets-ban all of them
capable of hurting or killing-ban all of them as well as any other device such as a car or knife that might be used to do so.
You can see why there is so much resistance from gun supporters because people like you can't be reasoned with because they don't know what they are talking about. They just like to make themselves feel good about themselves by throwing the moral high ground out there.
No actually, I understand the militias referenced in the 2nd in exactly the way they existed in the time the Constitution was written. As civilian armies under the regulation of a government authority. You can argue the semantics of it, but your version doesn't mesh with the reality of militias in colonial times,. You know, the time when the Constitution was written.
What facts did that change? The militia can also deny service.
Very familiar with the tier of command. The Civil War was fought almost entirely of State Militia, on both sides. It all depends on the ability to communicate with other militia and what the objective is with each militias, dog in the fight.
The Alabama 1st Regiment didn't like the New York 1st Regiment at all. Damn Yankees!
yes that is true, but they are NOT state militias, they are often extremist groups that have no affiliation with the state government.
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Originally Posted by trobesmom
The first thing they could do is get out of the hip pocket of the NRA. Perhaps tighten restrictions on how long it takes to get a gun, do more intensive background checks on people with mental illness, have flags go up when people buy multiple high powered weapons in a short period of time. Nobody wants to keep you from owning firearms BTW. Have all the guns you think you need.
still trying to demonize the NRA eh? the NRA is at the forefront of gun safety. in fact they teach gun safety across the nation.
tighten up restrictions on how llong it takes to get a gun? what good would that do? remember these people who are using firearms to commit mass murder plan these events long in advance. so what if it takes a week to get the firearm they want, they arent going to go out that day and shoot up a school, they are going to go out perhaps a month or two later.
stricter background checks? once again it really wont help, and in fact it infringes on a persons rights.
i do agree however with you on when someone wants to buy more than say three or four weapons at a time without good reason, but again that is not going to do anything. you make a law that says one cant buy more than three guns at a time before a red flag goes up, and hat happens? they buy two guns and wait.
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Originally Posted by trobesmom
If you want to be really constitutional, you'd have muskets. The founding fathers didn't know what assault weapons even were.
rubbish. the founding fathers may not have foreseen the M16 specifically, but they were smart enough to realize that technology changes all the time, and that the weapons of the future would be more powerful than the ones they had in their present. the constitution did not limit the type of firearms the people could own, and for good reason, the founders knew technology would change, thy had seen it in their lifetimes, and they were students of history, so they knew that technology was in fact ever changing.
The so-called "gun control" advocates have spent the last several decades proving (inadvertently) that their half measures do not work. "Assault weapons" bans, waiting periods, "gun free" zones, background checks, and all the rest rarely reduce the crime rate, and often result in an increase instead. And yet they keep coming back and saying we need "just a little more" of their "reasonable restrictions".
When they point to countries whose results they like, they invariably point to places like England, Japan, Australia, etc. - countries that have almost completely banned guns from their subjects.
Take the hint.
In fact, complete bans of all guns are the only things that have ever reduced "gun crimes". And they must be accompanied by ruthless confiscation. Advocates who say they want "just some reasonable regulations", know by now they won't work. The only thing they could now be intending, is an eventual complete ban on all guns. While pretending they will do only just a little, to fool you into going along with "just a little". And then next year, just a little more.
Their total gun bans must be accompanied by SWAT teams going door to door to every house and apartment in America, taking people's guns whether they want to give them up or not. They know that many people will object to giving up their guns voluntarily... but a gun ban won't work unless everybody turns in their guns.
Advocates who say they want a few "reasonable regulations", are either astonishingly ignorant of the results of their own policies, or are lying to you.
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