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Old 11-13-2017, 04:17 PM
 
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I refuse to change the way I live. I will burn wood to heat my home. I will drive what I please. Those that are terrified can change their ways.
They won't.

They do their part by posting about climate change.

 
Old 11-13-2017, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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If you think the earth is going to explode, act accordingly.

I'll do as I please.
 
Old 11-13-2017, 04:19 PM
 
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If you think the earth is going to explode, act accordingly.

I'll do as I please.
Their "solution" is to tax you more. Don't assume they can't get that done.
 
Old 11-13-2017, 04:19 PM
 
Location: moved
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Do you plan to:
1. Force them to stay in mud huts
2. Make major changes to your lifestyle
3. Ignore it other than a post about your outrage from time to time
Solutions are elusive. Many proposed solutions are worse than the underlying problem. But if we don't even recognize that there IS a problem, we're guaranteed to fail.
 
Old 11-13-2017, 04:21 PM
 
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Solutions are elusive. Many proposed solutions are worse than the underlying problem. But if we don't even recognize that there IS a problem, we're guaranteed to fail.
The problem is too many people.

Stopping immigration helps with it, but votes are more important than the planet.
 
Old 11-13-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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Solutions are elusive. Many proposed solutions are worse than the underlying problem. But if we don't even recognize that there IS a problem, we're guaranteed to fail.
What is the problem?
 
Old 11-13-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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Very good post. There is just one thing people tend to overlook, and that's this: the far-left is just as determined to see this planet destroyed at the far right. Why?


Look: even if humanity stopped pumping carbon and methane into the atmosphere cold turkey tomorrow, it wouldn't be enough. What we also need to do is get rid of the carbon already in the atmosphere, and that involves climate engineering. But every time scientists bring this up the dirty hippies stand up, throw their granola around and go on and on with their appeal to nature fallacy.

Example: there is potential to trap carbon using kelp farming...or just growing kelp. It sinks the carbon in the ocean and can be used for food and fuel.
https://theconversation.com/how-farm...-climate-81761

And that's just regular kelp. It could be possible to genetically engineer kelp that grows deeper, and hence can grow in a larger area and sink carbon under the sea...

And every time this or other climate engineering techniques are brought up, the conversation is shut down by a bunch of dirty hippies who think we should be "organic" about everything and think that the answer is simply to ban non-patchouli based deodorants and live barefoot on farms (all 7 billion of us)

The fact is we've already engineered our climate, and the only solution is to engineer it back. The governments of the world need to grow a pair, ignore the hippies, and begin an endeavor to reverse the effects of climate change. We have the technology already to build a kelp forest about the size of Australia in total...the result would be de-acidification of the seas, a greater abundants of fish and shellfish, fuel, fertilizer, and a massive carbon sink...

But a combination of governments being too weak to do anything and the shrill cries of the Jill Stein crowd will make that impossible.
 
Old 11-13-2017, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Houston
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New technology is our only hope and that is unlikely to come about due to government actions.
 
Old 11-13-2017, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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OK so what. The ship has sailed. IT CAN NOT BE REVERSED. We be better off spending money developing tech to live in the world going forward.
 
Old 11-13-2017, 04:27 PM
 
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I refuse to change the way I live. I will burn wood to heat my home. I will drive what I please. Those that are terrified can change their ways.

Okay. So then burn the wood of genetically engineered trees and drive a truck that runs on biodiesel.

There are two camps when it comes to this stuff: the folks like me who want a future that looks like "Star Trek"...and the folks who want a future that looks like "Demolition Man."

We can have BETTER lifestyles if we just alter the technology a bit. I mean, did your lifestyle suffer horribly when leaded gasoline was replaced?
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