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If they can't get this done they deserve what will be coming for them in 2018, starting early with Alabama. This is a once in a generation opportunity. Voters did their job, now it's their turn to produce or go home.
The plan to repeal the individual mandate in this plan is genius. It was ruled a tax by the supreme court and can be eliminated. This would save 340 billion to use to make the tax cut even greater for middle class.
We have the house, we have the senate, we have the presidency. GET. IT. DONE. But instead we'll get trickles of news about senators opposing it for this or that over the next couple weeks and in will fall apart most likely *facepalm*
Do you honestly believe the savings will end up as a middle class tax cut, I don't see that in any tax plan. The court decision was over a year ago, they could have dropped the mandate at any time. Many of these people will end up back to using hospitals as primary care, that doesn't solve anything.
This would just create more market instability for insurers, raise rates and kick people off health care. The GOP did this entirely behind closed doors and that should never be the case, something as large and complicated as healthcare should never be done by one party.
I am at the point top let them do what they ant, this is what these people voted for so let a few million people go off healthcare. We can remain the only uncivilized country without universal health care, this is what the voters wanted.
Possible repeal of the individual mandate, has triggered one of the weirder leftists spins in recent memory.
The day after they repeal it, all the same policies will be available, at all the same prices, to all the same people.
Yet the liberal fanatics are announcing that the Senate has "taken away health coverage" from many people.
All they did was allow people to choose for themselves. They can choose the same Obamacare policy they had the day before. Or they can choose on that, say, doesn't include prenatal care for men. Or they can choose a simple (and inexpensive) Major Medical type plan. Or the young ones eho seldome get sick, cn go without if they want to, and use the money to help start a business or whatever (as I did).
The leftists hate that above all else, since most sensible people choose no to go with what the leftists want them to. The leftists LIVE to force their own judgement onto people who never asked for it. Making people to do things against their own better judgement.
Roboteer, yes, on the day of individual mandated medical insurance repeal,all the same policies will be available, at all the same prices, to all the same people; but very soon after that day, that will not be so.
Excerpted from this thread's initial post: Eliminating the individuals medical insurance mandate, thus increasing prices of such insurance, then also increase direct and indirect medical costs to states and local governments, and additionally medical emergency rooms that will provide their greatly more expensive care to those that must use them for primary care. These additional costs will to some extent indirectly reflect back upon our annual federal budgets.
The GOP plan is just like the POS they created in NC. Tell people they cut taxes and then nickel and dime those same people till the cut is gone. With the mandate repeal the Cost of insurance , goes up and wipes out ANY gain on taxes. You also get to not be able to deduct the resulting out of pocket expense's.
The GOP are giving a tax cut to the rich and the rich Corp. and everyone else will pay more.
Do you honestly believe the savings will end up as a middle class tax cut, I don't see that in any tax plan. The court decision was over a year ago, they could have dropped the mandate at any time. Many of these people will end up back to using hospitals as primary care, that doesn't solve anything.
This would just create more market instability for insurers, raise rates and kick people off health care. The GOP did this entirely behind closed doors and that should never be the case, something as large and complicated as healthcare should never be done by one party.
I am at the point top let them do what they ant, this is what these people voted for so let a few million people go off healthcare. We can remain the only uncivilized country without universal health care, this is what the voters wanted.
I know that my family would save about $2,000 under the house tax plan. We are middle class. We are one functioning senate away from a great tax bill for this country
I know that my family would save about $2,000 under the house tax plan. We are middle class. We are one functioning senate away from a great tax bill for this country
There are plenty of middle class taxpayers that will lose or stay the same, you don't get something for nothing. There will be millions of people kicked off health care and the loss of the state and local tax deduction. All in favor of reform but lets do it across the board not at all, real estate losses and depreciation, tax credits for children, mortgage deduction, carried interest for hedge funds
A Quinnipiac poll on the Trump tax plan has only 25% approval with majority disapproval. Most Americans believe it favors the rich over the middle and lower classes. It is sure to pass.
The amount that one pays in payroll taxes throughout one's working career is associated indirectly with the social security benefits annuity that one receives as a retiree.[4] This has caused some to claim that the payroll tax is not a tax because its collection is directly tied to benefits that one is entitled to collect later in life.[5] The United States Supreme Court decided in Flemming v. Nestor (1960) that no one has an accrued property right to benefits from Social Security.
Fleming v Nestor. It is a standard tax & spend welfare program like any other, it simply has a few specific rules about eligibility and payouts. But it is indeed welfare for old/sick people.
The Congress can stop it any time the want, change it any way they want, abolish it, repeal it, whatever. Fleming v Nestor. You have no property rights with either SS or Medicare. None. Zero. It is welfare, you apply for it, you get it, and today's taxpayers are picking up the tab. Same as any other form of welfare we have.
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