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Old 11-15-2017, 09:31 PM
 
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Whitetail deer would probably be kept in check if Americans didn't kill off the wolves, their natural predator.

I'm not sure if elephants have a natural predator. I am assuming not.
The adults don't. Like giraffes. But the calves are very vulnerable to crocs, lions and hyenas, which are more cunning than lions. Which is why in wildlife docs you'll notice the calves are always in a center of a circle.

 
Old 11-16-2017, 04:32 AM
 
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Angry Trump lifts ban on killing elephants for trophies

I voted for Trump and support alot he has done and is doing.


This I disagree with and cannot support all.
To many animals and species are killed for the trophy, money, and greed by the hand of humans.

Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa

The Trump administration on Wednesday announced that it will issue permits for elephant trophies from Zambia and Zimbabwe, reversing a 2014 ban under President Obama.
100 elephants a day are already killed,” the group said. “This will lead to more poaching.”

A U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service official told ABC News that the agency received new information from the countries that the move would benefit conservation in the area.

“Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation,” the FWS statement said.

The National Rifle Association praised the FWS decision Wednesday, the New York Post reported. The paper reported that elephants — valued for their tusks — have been on the “threatened” species list since 1978.

“By lifting the import ban on lion trophies in Zimbabwe and Zambia, the Trump administration underscored the importance of sound scientific wildlife management and regulated hunting to the survival and enhancement of game species in this country and worldwide,” said Chris Cox, executive director of the National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action.
 
Old 11-16-2017, 04:38 AM
 
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The US had a ban on killing elephants and Trump lifted it? I better put mine back in the garage. I hope he doesnt go after pink flamingos next.

Its great you voted for him though, congrats lol
 
Old 11-16-2017, 05:22 AM
 
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It's just like organized lion hunting, it doesn't benefit anyone as much as the organizers and their sponsors back home.

Just a cruel, unnecessary 'sport.'

A rare miss for Trump.
 
Old 11-16-2017, 05:22 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Legal profit from the tons of cash spent on a very limited elephant hunt will ensure elephants are protected for the future. The original cash cow.


Individual animals will be selected for harvest to ensure good herd management.


Incentive to protect them from poachers. Poachers profit goes to the poacher, a legal hunt will spread the profit and so incentivize more people to guard against poaching.


The earth would cry if elephants were killed off. This is not a death sentence for elephants, quite the opposite.


Poachers are a symptom of larger problems. Though you need to look at least one level up to find the source that incentivizes poachers. The more effort expanded in that direction is critical.
 
Old 11-16-2017, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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If you want to preserve a species you make it a marketable commodity, not a protected species.
You think cows are going to be extinct at any time?
Oh, good grief. Seriously?
 
Old 11-16-2017, 05:32 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Oh, good grief. Seriously?
Yeah, seriously. Poaching poses a greater danger to elephants, as well as lions and other species, than strictly regulated hunting does. Typically the oldest animals are taken during the hunt, not so with poaching. Poachers will take every single animal.

Or are you a science denier?
 
Old 11-16-2017, 05:36 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default Misleading Title

Oh, he lifted a ban on importing trophies, not the killing of elephants. Your title is misleading. Was that intentional?

I wondered how President Trump could lift a ban on killing elephants, since we don't have elephants roaming in the wild in this country. It would be up to the countries with elephants to ban their killing.

How many American's are big game hunters? How does this have an impact on the killing of elephants?
 
Old 11-16-2017, 05:39 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Oh, he lifted a ban on importing trophies, not the killing of elephants. Your title is misleading. Was that intentional?

I wondered how President Trump could lift a ban on killing elephants, since we don't have elephants roaming in the wild in this country. It would be up to the countries with elephants to ban their killing.

How many American's are big game hunters? How does this have an impact on the killing of elephants?
Probably less than 50.

It's just science deniers at work. Those who don't realize that a hunter or fisherman puts more into conservation efforts, through special taxes, fees and licenses, in a single year than most most antis do in ten years.
 
Old 11-16-2017, 05:43 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by Kracer View Post
Legal profit from the tons of cash spent on a very limited elephant hunt will ensure elephants are protected for the future. The original cash cow.


Individual animals will be selected for harvest to ensure good herd management.


Incentive to protect them from poachers. Poachers profit goes to the poacher, a legal hunt will spread the profit and so incentivize more people to guard against poaching.


The earth would cry if elephants were killed off. This is not a death sentence for elephants, quite the opposite.


Poachers are a symptom of larger problems. Though you need to look at least one level up to find the source that incentivizes poachers. The more effort expanded in that direction is critical.
Liberals never think through these things before jumping on the train. Many of them also think we should ban things like deer hunting in this country. That's because they are ignorant. It's important for management, as you said. Over population of animals is as bad as the danger of extinction. Good management ensures they will be around for centuries to come.
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