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Old 11-16-2017, 02:54 AM
 
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It seems now that if can get a lot of people to come forward that there is no trial needed to destroy an accused persons life!

I'm referring to accused people, mainly people who are famous or better known and who are not saying sorry as they claim innocence.

We have seen some famous people who immediately said sorry and seem to get away with sexual harassment/abuse.

Of course if left wing media likes the accuser than the amount of people coming forward and claiming to be a victim are not believed.

This subject now seems to be a political subject.

Unless the accuser is no longer part of left wing media, than the accuser seems to can get away with "sorry" or claiming one week of vacation at a rehab center as the ones who admit having a problem seem to be cured in one week after ruined many life's.

George Bush sr & Bill Clinton both have given a free pass to go and do as they like by the media.

No surprise there and the court of public opinion is very quiet about them as after all the court of public opinion for the left only counts to satisfy their own feelings and not the feelings of victims of the narrative doesn't fit the left wings goal.
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:05 AM
 
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You should read this. If you are half as clever as you think you are, you may understand it:

https://www.redstate.com/absentee/20...moore-debacle/

Just a portion:

"
His public appearances prior to this left the same bad taste. A man with bad judgment. A man with impulse control issues. Something indefinably unsettling about him.
These things come into play whether you admit or not. We all have a degree of sensing such things. Clearly, we are either not sensing the same things, or some of us are choosing to ignore the instinct for partisan reasons.
But it does matter with regard to the idea of the big smear. This accusation would be far more challenged to find purchase had it been made against, say, Mitt Romney. Or Billy Graham. It wouldn’t be so believable. But it was made against Moore, and so it is.
One more thing to consider is that, I’m sorry to say, it seems a great number of people in Alabama aren’t all that concerned about the accusations, even should they prove true. Morons have already defended him on the grounds of “so what”, others on the grounds of “democrats are worse,” and there does generally seem to be a notion that dating teenage girls is just fine. Perhaps, as Roy Moore said, with their parents permission anyway. I don’t want to use the term “backward” but, as a father to two teenage girls, let me just say that that’s a backward and ignorant way of thinking and the state should be ashamed.
You see, the truth is, you have to take the whole picture into account. Everyone on the right spends a lot of time worrying about slippery slopes and precedents, but not enough arguing each case on its own merits."
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:42 AM
 
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It seems now that if can get a lot of people to come forward that there is no trial needed to destroy an accused persons life!

I'm referring to accused people, mainly people who are famous or better known and who are not saying sorry as they claim innocence.

We have seen some famous people who immediately said sorry and seem to get away with sexual harassment/abuse.

Of course if left wing media likes the accuser than the amount of people coming forward and claiming to be a victim are not believed.

This subject now seems to be a political subject.

Unless the accuser is no longer part of left wing media, than the accuser seems to can get away with "sorry" or claiming one week of vacation at a rehab center as the ones who admit having a problem seem to be cured in one week after ruined many life's.

George Bush sr & Bill Clinton both have given a free pass to go and do as they like by the media.

No surprise there and the court of public opinion is very quiet about them as after all the court of public opinion for the left only counts to satisfy their own feelings and not the feelings of victims of the narrative doesn't fit the left wings goal.


Reminds me of the McMartin preschool case.


https://www.redstate.com/diary/daven...em-circa-1692/
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Old 11-16-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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This thread was not about one person but in general.

Shouldn't we wait to make a judgment on how the accused will respond to the accusation and what I mean is;

- does the accused person claim innocence

- does the accused person apologizes for his/her behavior

Many have immediately apologized and to me it sounds they have apologized for being accused and the accusations are true.

I feel it is wrong to make all accused people being guilty if they claim not have done what they are accused off.

Of course we know how Bill Clinton denied and later admitted that he lied and perhaps Moore is similar.

So far I don't want to say Moore is guilty just because women have come forward due to Duke University Lacrosse case and many other cases that were not as it was portrait.

Keep in mind the Prosecutor in the Duke Lacrosse case went to prison!
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Old 11-16-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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Every situation is different. Sorry for people who want to live in a black and white cartoon world, but that is just the way it is, every single instance must be judged on its own circumstances.

Things that lend credence to accusations:
People that have been told about the events before hand, especially close to the time the events happened
Separate unrelated people making accusations
Credible chain of events, consistent descriptions of the events outlined in the accusations
Witnesses to the character of the accused that are consistent with accusations
Patterns of behavior of the accused that are consistent with the accusations
Weak, unreliable, unrelated or lying defenses against allegations

Things that detract from the credence of accusations:
Accusations with little or no historical corroboration (never told anyone, never had any record of being in contact with
the accused)
Single accusations based only on hearsay
Non credible or inconsistent chain of events
Witnesses to the character of the accused that are in stark contradiction to the alleged behavior
Patterns of behavior of the accused that are inconsistent or contradictory to the accusations
Strong, verifiable defenses from the accused against the allegations
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