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Old 12-06-2017, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Waiting for the Dem apologies for supporting Bill Clinton.


Oh I forgot, oral sex is not sex.
Clinton is a serial philanderer but he is not a pedophile and the liasons were consensual at the time of their occurrences. But in the main, I have a real problem with this whole spate of "allegations" from decades in the past. Were it not politically expedient to explore the partisan opportunities implicit in these revelations it would be recognized by most that there has to be some kind of statute of limitations on how long is reasonable to wait before coming forward with allegations of the kind that are being made! Rape is a crime, and should and must be reported forthwith no matter what. And given the very favorable platform being given to those of the #metoo cadre, the least they could do is come forth publicly. You cannot, should not, expect that someone who has wronged you should be summarily stripped of their livelihood and legacy on an anonymous say so regarding events taking place more than, at most, a few weeks in the past. The right things are being done for the wrong reasons IMO.

 
Old 12-06-2017, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Actions, even rational ones, have consequences. South Carolina knows that well after the rest of the country, and even a few countries outside our jurisdiction boycotted venues and events and broke long standing contracts in the wake of their perfectly rational but hugely controversial 'Bathroom Bill'. Republicans are dragging this country's credibility into a Black Hole of international scorn, ridicule and loathing. The lost revenue from South Carolina's gaffe was over $1B last I heard. What will the eventual cost to America's lost tourism, lost immigration, lost contracts, lost trade, etc., etc. Have we really let one man singlehandedly destroy what was once the most powerful nation on earth? Roy Moore would have caved just like Franken and Conyers but for Trumps meddling. A Pox on his house.
Would be nice if we could give the Alabama voters a choice other than electing Roy Moore or Doug Jones next week. On December 13th one of them will be senator elect though. If "let's do these primaries over now that we know about these allegations" was an option, I'm sure many people would be all for it. But it isn't. The release of these accusations was timed very deliberately indeed, and the timing is the best proof possible that this is not about morality it's about stealing a senate seat. Do the Alabama voters just throw their hands up and say "ah gee you outmaneuvered us, here's our senate seat"? I hope not.

Moore can still be removed after being elected, especially if the accusations turn in to something more.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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That makes it not sex?


That is what I posted.


Or perhaps you want to discuss the perjury about it?
Comparing Clinton to Moore is comparing consensual oral sex with an adult to child molestation.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Comparing Clinton to Moore is comparing consensual oral sex with an adult to child molestation.
False comparison. Clinton (later) admitted to his affair with Lewinsky. Moore denies the allegations (and that's all they are at this point) against him.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 04:08 PM
 
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Clinton is a serial philanderer but he is not a pedophile and the liasons were consensual at the time of their occurrences. But in the main, I have a real problem with this whole spate of "allegations" from decades in the past. Were it not politically expedient to explore the partisan opportunities implicit in these revelations it would be recognized by most that there has to be some kind of statute of limitations on how long is reasonable to wait before coming forward with allegations of the kind that are being made! Rape is a crime, and should and must be reported forthwith no matter what. And given the very favorable platform being given to those of the #metoo cadre, the least they could do is come forth publicly. You cannot, should not, expect that someone who has wronged you should be summarily stripped of their livelihood and legacy on an anonymous say so regarding events taking place more than, at most, a few weeks in the past. The right things are being done for the wrong reasons IMO.
lol. You have a strange view of the word "consensual".


Ever heard of Juanita Broadderick?


Ever heard of Paula Jones?


Ever heard of Kathleen Wiley?


And so forth and so forth?


Consensual?


OK, then.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 04:09 PM
 
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there was actual evidence against franken, so where is the evidence against moore? with franked, the accusers have come out with complaints less than 40 years old, with moore, the complaints are ALL 40 years old or older, and are suspect to begin with.

for instance, one piece of evidence against moore isnt even being released for examination, why? is it possible that the signature in the yearbook was indeed fake, and these people dont want the case against moore to fall apart completely? and there are conflicting testimonies both for and against moore, one says he was banned from a shopping mall, others say there was no ban, and the mall cant verify one way or another because there are no records from that time period.

one person says moore took her around to a dark areas around a particular restaurant, yet employees of the restaurant say there was no dark area around the restaurant.

so with conflicts in testimony and no physical evidence, we cant get to the truth about moore.

as for al franken, along with the evidence, there is the admission of guilt by franken himself, many times over the years, along with some vile comments franken made, and apologies retracted, etc.

so we have one sitting senator with real evidence against him, AND an admission of guilt, compared to a candidate with mere accusations against him and denials of the accusations by moore, and conflicting testimony of accusers and witnesses.
do you really think using a lot of words makes your justification valid?

Moore was in his 30s trying to have sex with minors. that should be enough for you, but if it is not, there is plenty of supporting evidence and you know it.

Americans who are not actively against Moore are immoral. And i see a lot of immoral Republicans planning on supporting a pervert. You will not be able to claim you did not know.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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lol. You have a strange view of the word "consensual".


Ever heard of Juanita Broadderick?


Ever heard of Paula Jones?


Ever heard of Kathleen Wiley?


And so forth and so forth?


Consensual?


OK, then.

Ever hear of any of these women? If allegations are proof, why hasn't Trump been impeached? You don't get to have it both ways, either people who are merely accused are guilty or if it's only accusations, then they don't count. Not one standard for Bill Clinton and the opposite standard for Donald Trump and Roy Moore.

President Trump and accusations of sexual misconduct: The complete list
 
Old 12-06-2017, 04:37 PM
 
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There's no photos.
Guess he's innocent then. Pfffft.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 04:52 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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What will be the GOP's excuse to still support Moore now?
Never mind that. Franken does need to step down with more women each day stepping forward to spill the beans. This guy's been an epic disgrace, but then, that's the Democrat Party for you. As for Moore, his alleged misgivings occurred well more than thirty years ago and reportedly hasn't had any issues since. Still, there's no word on whether those accusations have been proven to be true.

But with Franken, good riddance. He really needs to be replaced with a trusted conservative.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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, his alleged misgivings occurred well more than thirty years ago and reportedly hasn't had any issues since. .
Except for the gross incompetence at his job, being removed as a judge, twice, and wearing a Howdy Doody vest two sizes two small and a tiara on his cowboy hat.
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