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Old 11-20-2017, 05:46 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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There is no freedom if your society disenfranchises the majority of the population. The only freedom you care about is freedom from responsibility.
And sadly, there's (now) a sizable group that advocate only the freedom to get free stuff from the government...
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Old 11-20-2017, 05:48 PM
 
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It'd be nice to have some towns without a school system
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Old 11-20-2017, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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What if you didnt or couldnt drive and every year a govt agent put a new Chevy in your driveway and its MSRP was deducted from your paycheck?
Youd be forced to pay for something you cant or wont use and calling it the fire dept. public school or some abstract "common good" baloney doesn't magically change it into something else, its all the same scam.
Schools, roads, security, fire prevention etc. can and should be privately funded by end users.

Unless you personally want to create roads everywhere you want to go, by getting out your shovel or your pocket book, for instance, you need to pitch in on the cost of that road. Even if you don't have a car. if you want to get from your house to the grocery store, you need a path. There's a cost to that path. Including the cost of simply owning that path. Which nowadays, for instance, are roads and sidewalks that are real estate owned by the citizens of a population - all of whom, being part-owners, must pitch in on the costs associated with the property. Which is only fair.

The alternative to that, is what happened way back when in the pioneer type days, where if you wanted to get from here to there using a particular path that somebody else owns and created and is maintaining - you paid a road or bridge toll to use it.

Now, back then, if you never used any road to get from your home to anywhere else, you would not have any cost associated with doing so. That's true.

But, I highly doubt that you never leave your home. So, buck up and pitch in.
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Old 11-21-2017, 05:43 AM
 
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Apparently someone in California is pushing an initiative to allow people without children to escape paying school taxes.

California proposal: No kids? Then don't pay school taxes | Fox News

Interesting idea. I think public education in this country has gone into the toilet. And I don't have kids, so if this caught on, I'd financially benefit. But this would likely collapse what's left of public education. And if you think society is unraveling now, just wait to see what the results of that would be.
That's the way it should be.
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Old 11-21-2017, 05:48 AM
 
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Lots of things arenít fair in life. Without the tax income ,who is going to support public education? We donít need religious schools teaching their creation ideas. Science is an important subject we can't afford to lose.
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Old 11-21-2017, 06:14 AM
 
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Lots of things arenít fair in life. Without the tax income ,who is going to support public education? We donít need religious schools teaching their creation ideas. Science is an important subject we can't afford to lose.
Who will pick the cotton if we free the slaves?
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Old 11-21-2017, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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And sadly, there's (now) a sizable group that advocate only the freedom to get free stuff from the government...
Without alot of those programs our country would be much worse off. Look at some third world countries low taxes few if any government programs or services its a wonder conservatives aren't flocking to those countries so they can be "free".
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Old 11-21-2017, 06:16 AM
 
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Without alot of those programs our country would be much worse off. Look at some third world countries low taxes few if any government programs or services its a wonder conservatives aren't flocking to those countries so they can be "free".
Because govt run schemes are known for their exceptionalism
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Old 11-21-2017, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Because govt is known for its exceptionalism
No its just known for doing what individuals and markets don't. Most reasonable people support public schools because they don't want illiterate hooligans running around. Your solution privatize everything would be a disaster for many people it would be good for the wealthy so if your goal is to empower them at all costs I understand your view.
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Old 11-21-2017, 06:23 AM
 
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No its just known for doing what individuals and markets don't. Most reasonable people support public schools because they don't want illiterate hooligans running around. Your solution privatize everything would be a disaster for many many people it would be good for the wealthy so if your goal is to empower them at all costs I understand your view.
Forcing your neighbor to pay for your childs education hasn't made them any less an illiterate hooligan.
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