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Old 11-17-2017, 02:41 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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I've never used the fire department, and growing up as a kid i don't recall my parents ever using the fire department

Therefore I shouldn't pay for taxes that fund the fire department
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My town has never had a house fire but we pay for a fire department.
poor analogy.

there is still a very real possibility that you could need - and benefit - from fire department services in the future.

OTOH, childless couples will never personally benefit from paying school taxes.
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Old 11-17-2017, 05:52 PM
 
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How is it a "socialist program"?
Do the communities control and fund them? Yes.
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Old 11-17-2017, 06:07 PM
 
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Apparently someone in California is pushing an initiative to allow people without children to escape paying school taxes.

California proposal: No kids? Then don't pay school taxes | Fox News

Interesting idea. I think public education in this country has gone into the toilet. And I don't have kids, so if this caught on, I'd financially benefit. But this would likely collapse what's left of public education. And if you think society is unraveling now, just wait to see what the results of that would be.
lol.

NOPE , if want that, then you pay a SURCHARGE when using any service that the state educational sytem contributed too.

thus that nurse, you owe a surcharge every time she works with you, because the state took her through the first 12 years.

Oops you gain from everyone's education everyday. When your clients can read the sign to find your store and when the research folk come up with "cas 9" or when the state AG locks up a thug who almost got away due to an excellent defence attorney.

you me we all gain when people are educated. Your lack of kids and my double dose of kids has little to do with how "WE" gain. the kids gain of course, but so do you. thus no deal unless you want to pay for the many varied benefits we all receive when the masses are educated.

this comes up all the time, it is not new and just as everyone pays into national defence even if there is no war during their life (fine chance) just as we all pay for roads even if we are house bound.

the deal is simple. Everyone pays in, everyone gains in many ways. If you don't to pay for my kids to learn, than you should not expect to be allowed to avail of the benefits. maybe my kid ends up serving fries, but unless he or she can read and do basic math, you don't get the fries. or maybe the new heart etc...
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Old 11-17-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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Stupid reactionary idea. Everyone benefits from a good education system. People who walk shouldn't have to pay for roads, people who live inland shouldn't have to pay for the coast guard.
You mean the "Public FOOL system"
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:34 PM
 
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I thought we put this issue to rest here in Ohio in 1825.
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:45 PM
 
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Apparently someone in California is pushing an initiative to allow people without children to escape paying school taxes.

California proposal: No kids? Then don't pay school taxes | Fox News

Interesting idea. I think public education in this country has gone into the toilet. And I don't have kids, so if this caught on, I'd financially benefit. But this would likely collapse what's left of public education. And if you think society is unraveling now, just wait to see what the results of that would be.
So how could you possibly know the education system then if you don't have kids. I have teachers in my family. My sister teaches special ed kids. The system is failing because no one wants to invest in their education in public schools. They would rather pay for charter and private schools. Teachers have to pay out of pocket for their supplies because schools can't afford to supplement them
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Old 11-18-2017, 11:47 PM
 
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poor analogy.

there is still a very real possibility that you could need - and benefit - from fire department services in the future.

OTOH, childless couples will never personally benefit from paying school taxes.
Most people never use the fire department. My parents never benefited. Can they get their money back.

If I die before and never use the benefit of the Fire department, can my kid get all the money I paid into it?


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OTOH, childless couples will never personally benefit from paying school taxes.
you do realize that most couples with kids start out as childless.
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Old 11-19-2017, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Better schools means higher property values, more tax money for police and fire fighters, which further improves the area, etc., etc. Schools are the main base that creates the supply/demand for higher quality of life neighborhoods/towns. So, everyone benefits in that school district - hence, they should all have to pay taxes that support them.

People can always choose to live somewhere with terrible schools and cheaper prices. But, if you want all of the benefits from living in an area with good schools, you have to contribute.
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Old 11-19-2017, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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They're closing the "environmental improvements" loophole in Wisconsin, which schools were using to push through millions in spending without seeking voter approval.

In life it's all about balance... you spend money when needed on things that are necessary. You don't blow money on unnecessary embellishments unless the voters approve of it.

They have a history in Wisconsin of ramming through school referendums for vote 3, 4, even 5 times until they finally pass.

Ultimately we do have to pay for education and subsidize people with kids. It's just how the system works. It's better than having no taxes and relying on the goodness of corporations and businesses to provide. I do support school choice, however. Better performing schools that use funds more efficiently should be rewarded. You shouldn't solve a problem of a bad school by throwing more money at it, because that doesn't work. The Milwaukee Public Schools are a good example of how to NOT do things.
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Old 11-19-2017, 04:34 AM
 
Location: NE Atlanta Metro
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And if you think society is unraveling now, just wait to see what the results of that would be.
There’s no need to wait to see the results. We have a glimpse of it now in states like; West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas and Louisiana. All with traditionally some of the overall least educated populous’ and the worst public education systems in the nation.

Oh, all very Republican and overwhelmingly Trump Country.
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