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Old 11-17-2017, 07:02 AM
 
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The single biggest obstacle to smart guns is legislation in NJ that would trigger a mandate that they all be smart guns. If it could be proven reliable I would consider buying such a gun as long as it could be turned off, without that option thanks but no thanks.
The smart gun technology does not work yet. Might be worth it , if it did.
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Old 11-17-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: USA
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We need to BAN everything in which humans can use in a stupid, and dangerous manner. That is the point of this thread.
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Old 11-17-2017, 07:13 AM
 
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ngs/873053001/

Statistics show that gun owners and their families are more likely to be injured or killed by guns than those who don't own guns.
"Statistics show that gun owners and their families are more likely to be injured or killed by guns than those who don't own guns"

I don't see that anywhere in the article.

People have all sorts of accident all the time, so what is your point?

Let me guess.

A person had an accident with a gun, therefore let's ban guns.

How about THOUSANDS of people have accident with cars every DAY, so let's ban cars.

Sounds about right.

Thread FAIL!
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Statistics show that gun owners and their families are more likely to be injured or killed by guns than those who don't own guns.
No they don't. That lie was debunked years ago, and yet ignorant anti gun nuts who care more about their agenda than the truth keep pushing it.

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https://www.gunowners.org/sk0701.htm

Fact: A study claiming "guns more likely to kill you than help you" is a total fraud. Not surprisingly, the figure claiming one is three times more likely to be killed by one's own gun is a total lie. The author of this study, Dr. Arthur Kellerman, refused to release the data behind his conclusions for years. (3) Subsequently available evidence shows why Kellerman stonewalled for so long:

* Researcher Don Kates reveals that all available data now indicates that the "home gun homicide victims [in Kellerman's study] were killed using guns not kept in the victim's home." (4) In other words, the victims were NOT murdered with their own guns! They were killed "by intruders who brought their own guns to the victim's household."

* In retrospect, Kates found, it was not the ownership of firearms that put these victims at high risk. Rather, it was the victim's "high-risk life-styles [such as criminal associations] that caused them to own guns at higher rates than the members of the supposedly comparable control group."(5)
The reality is if you're not going to shoot yourself and you're not a felon you have almost zero chance of being killed by someone with a gun. You're 13x more likely to die from the flu.
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:48 AM
 
Location: MS
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That was a negligent discharge with injury of another person. The local DA should at least look at this incident.

I rarely remove my carry pistol from the holster to show to someone else. The last time I did, I pointed it in a safe direction before dropping the magazine and ejecting the round the in chamber. When I pistol to the other person, I used 2 hands so they could grab the grip. They did without putting their finger on the trigger. And despite watching me eject a round, they also checked the chamber.
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ngs/873053001/

Statistics show that gun owners and their families are more likely to be injured or killed by guns than those who don't own guns.
Only in America.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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The irony is overwhelming.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:14 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ngs/873053001/

Statistics show that gun owners and their families are more likely to be injured or killed by guns than those who don't own guns.

And there are literally thousands of analogies that can be laid alongside firearms negligence that both hurt and kill people. (sigh) And I think they've all been laid out on here in the last couple of days. Firearms are indeed inherently dangerous by design. It frosts me no end to both see and hear about mishandling of them by people who know very well better.


And it happens. Doesn't support these studies and statistic though as the data is always agglomerated. That makes it pretty much useless for making any arguments either way on the gun restriction issue. I've tried to find separated data and have been unsuccessful. If anyone has had better luck I'd really like to see it shared.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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All God had to do is make the gun malfunction, and this tragedy could have been avoided.

God is answering millions of prayers every day. Why did he neglect these people, especially in church?
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:49 PM
 
Location: MS
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All God had to do is make the gun malfunction, and this tragedy could have been avoided.

God is answering millions of prayers every day. Why did he neglect these people, especially in church?
Had it been a Browning, I would say that it would have been impossible. Maybe God was on the phone and missed this one.
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