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View Poll Results: Trump and GOP cut 25 Billion from Medicare ,is that OK with You?
Yes 11 30.56%
No 25 69.44%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 11-20-2017, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Paul Ryan wanted to privatize Medicare, he wanted to voucherize Medicare and now he's just looking to gut it.
Medicare was created when most private sector insurers declined to write hospitalization insurance for seniors.

In the 50 + years since the inception of Medicare, many formerly fatal conditions are now treatable and survivable.
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Old 11-20-2017, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I can't see how this is going to work out for Rs.

If they manage to pass this dreadful tax bill, always a possibility, then they have to live with the consequences.

It won't take effect for a year or so and by that time the story of how they sold out their constituents will be told far and wide.

But whether it will make any difference remains to be seen.

Alabama election should be a test of sorts. Here's a guy who was banned from the mall and twice from serving on the bench, and Rs may elect him to the Senate.

I could not imagine voting for him before the accusations.

The Today show interviewed the original accuser who alleges Moore violated her at 14. She is a life long Republican and voted for Trump. She came off as very credible.

His brand of fundalmentalism does not have broad appeal within the party or across party lines. He could hurt the GOP over time more so than a one- off temporary Democrat win in Alabama.
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Old 11-20-2017, 01:01 PM
 
Location: The South
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Heh - channel surfing and stopped on Fox to hear Neil Cavuto discussing the tax plan w/Charlie Gasparino. Both agree the tax plan is a really "odd" - that it isn't good for the middle class and is harmful to many, that middle class issues were almost an "afterthought" and shouldn't have been part of this legislation, that Congress needs to devote more thought to middle class issues.

Gasparino also said Ron Johnson's objections to the legislation won't be that easy to fix - so he's not so sure about the future of this bill. Cavuto is 50/50 on passage, neither are singing its praises.

All this on FOX, no less. This must really be a stinker.
You should watch FOX more. Fair and Balanced.
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Old 11-20-2017, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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A) Age does not have to equal sick, except for the fat assed, whose lazy lifestyles condemn them to poor quality final years.

B) So silly to repeat this shallow, Boo! Let's try scare tactics.

C) Everyone needs to tow their own weight, middle, young and old. So, you youngsters need to pay for the needlessly ill of all ages. You folks in the middle need to subsidize those who went before. The old fogey's need hikes in their medicare premiums; you know quit freeloading. Oh wait, any number of articles are pointing to 23% - 30% premium increases.

Take your demagoguing some place where it will be believed. Like your local liberal arts college campus.
Weight/ Obesity is the #1 global healthcare risk as defined by WHO.

75% of US adults are overweight/ obese. No surprise we spend more per capita on healthcare than any other country.

Government could pick up the full tab for healthcare for everyone if it limited coverage to those with waist sizes in the very generous healthy ranges.

Those with waist sizes greater than the healthy range would pay a huge premium.

On average, it costs $10,000 to treat a Diabetic for one year. This is greater than anyone's premium at any age on any plan.
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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Medicare was created when most private sector insurers declined to write hospitalization insurance for seniors.

In the 50 + years since the inception of Medicare, many formerly fatal conditions are now treatable and survivable.
Insurance is available to anyone if they are willing to pay the (high) price. There is no reason why one demographic should be treated differently than another. Seniors only pay about a third of the costs for the medical benefits they receive, those that work and pay taxes pay the other two-thirds. If seniors support those that are younger paying the exorbitant costs for health insurance, seniors should be willing to pay those high costs for themselves.
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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Weight/ Obesity is the #1 global healthcare risk as defined by WHO.

75% of US adults are overweight/ obese. No surprise we spend more per capita on healthcare than any other country.

Government could pick up the full tab for healthcare for everyone if it limited coverage to those with waist sizes in the very generous healthy ranges.

Those with waist sizes greater than the healthy range would pay a huge premium.


On average, it costs $10,000 to treat a Diabetic for one year. This is greater than anyone's premium at any age on any plan.
Interesting approach - I'd be fine with that, but many southern states would struggle for coverage.

For those saying let the GOP just cut Medicaid, not Medicare, Medicaid is the number one way nursing homes are paid. Many seniors receive Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:00 PM
 
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True. Plus the market has grown exponentially. Bigger risk pool. Many more 65 citizens today than in 1965. And growing fast; expected to double by 2060.
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Medicare was created when most private sector insurers declined to write hospitalization insurance for seniors.

In the 50 + years since the inception of Medicare, many formerly fatal conditions are now treatable and survivable.
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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I know this quite well. Been beating the drums the lifestyle chronics for quite awhile. Facts do not make a dent. Time to get in people's faces. Fat is fat. Fat is a premature death sentence. Fat is greedy. Fat is selfish.

Smoking is a premature death sentence. Smoking is greedy. Smoking is selfish. Smokers stink. Smokers teeth fall out.

So on and so on.

But, I'l never be for government paying for health care.
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Weight/ Obesity is the #1 global healthcare risk as defined by WHO.

75% of US adults are overweight/ obese. No surprise we spend more per capita on healthcare than any other country.

Government could pick up the full tab for healthcare for everyone if it limited coverage to those with waist sizes in the very generous healthy ranges.

Those with waist sizes greater than the healthy range would pay a huge premium.

On average, it costs $10,000 to treat a Diabetic for one year. This is greater than anyone's premium at any age on any plan.
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Weight/ Obesity is the #1 global healthcare risk as defined by WHO.

75% of US adults are overweight/ obese. No surprise we spend more per capita on healthcare than any other country.

Government could pick up the full tab for healthcare for everyone if it limited coverage to those with waist sizes in the very generous healthy ranges.

Those with waist sizes greater than the healthy range would pay a huge premium.

On average, it costs $10,000 to treat a Diabetic for one year. This is greater than anyone's premium at any age on any plan.
What's your plan for obese kids? there are plenty of them out there
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:08 PM
 
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Oh, I am certainly not calling them dishonest. They promise to do horrible things, we should not be surpsised if they do horrible things once elected.
The Dems promise unicorns and rainbows and free stuff for everyone but it never happens. They are dishonest.

Meanwhile the Dems have been using the 'we're all gonna die' scare tactic for decades and nothing terrible happens. Getting rid of the illegals would be a good place to start.
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