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Old 11-17-2017, 03:27 PM
 
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women get away with it because it is generally felt that men want the attention of women, even if it is considered sexual harassment. the fact is that most men getting this kind of attention dont complain about it for fear that they will be labeled as homosexual.

and if a woman gets aggressive and physical and the man defends himself, the woman can claim he was beating her, and unless there is actual video evidence of the aggression, the man is the one that gets in trouble.

right now men are in a damned if you do and damned if you dont situation. and in reality we did it to ourselves. we let women gain the power over men they have. now i can hear some of you thinking that i think men should have all the power, and that isnt true at all. but i also recognize that the pendulum has swung over to the side of the women. at some point it will swing back, and we must be careful not to let it swing too far the other way or we get back to where we were in the 50s.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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If I remember correctly, the OP once had a long thread complaining about two women who had the effrontery to actually talk to him at a bar. His life is truly difficult.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:38 PM
 
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So one weird fat woman harrasses you and you make it sound like the whole female popualtion finds you unbelievably desirable.

If she was bothering you in the store, why not report her to the manager? Would that of made the situation look even sillier? She did unwanted touching with her shoulder, I'd of pushed her away. Sounds like she was pretty dang close to begin with.

If the gal had been this months playboy playmate, would that of bothered you?
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:40 PM
 
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A few weeks ago I was at the grocery store up the road from me, buying some wheat grass, two Mexican Cokes, a box of rice crispies treats and a microwave pizza at 12:30am. While on line at the checkout, which was surprisingly long for that hour of the night, this rather large older woman sees what I'm buying and ask me why I have something healthy and something else that isn't. Instead of saying the truth (the wheat grass was for my cat, the junk food was me to to enjoy while smoking weed and finishing Stranger Things) I just shrugged and didn't say anything.

She winks at me and says "ohh, a mysterious man of few words, I like that." I immediately looked uncomfortable and said nothing. I took out my phone and started messing with it, hoping she would take a hint. Instead, she did this nasty pressing her shoulder against mine thing and said "you look nice."

I took a step back and nervously said "thanks" without looking at her. She asked me if I was okay, I said nothing. She asked me something else, but at that point I stopped listening to her and was just staring at my phone. Finally, she took a hint and checked her things out and left. I checked my few items and paid, and as I left I saw several people on line—all of them women—were giggling at the whole scenario.

I went home and kept thinking: what if the genders were reversed? Would they laugh at it if a younger woman was made to feel uncomfortable by a nasty, older man? No. They would call that unacceptable, and they would be 100% right.

But when it's a woman doing it, it's okay.

And its not just men. I have heard from multiple women than occasionally, women who are interested in women will overstep their boundaries and be outright creepy toward other women. But the same psychopaths who march down the street for "womxn's liberation" have jack to say when a drunken woman touches another woman's rear without asking.

Why is it okay when women do it?

I have never met a single male who serves alcohol in a restaurant or bar who doesn't have a story about some woman making him feel uncomfortable. This usually happens with older women: they get a little booze in their system and suddenly they think it's okay to harass the bartender, server, etc. And from the reactions of management, other team members, and other guests, they apparently have the right to do so (I am the one manager who, if I saw that, would not hesitate to kick said woman out)

And spare me, spare me the whole "you're a big man who can defend himself so you don't feel threatened!" line. If I would have bunched that, or any other woman, who rubbed herself on me, I would be guilty of "violence against women" and we all know the fact that she started it would fall on deaf ears in the courts.

I love SJW logic: "men can't be harassed by women because they can defend themselves against women...but if a man does defend himself, he's guilty of violence against women."

Be it at a bar or at the grocery store or the gym, women should learn to respect people's dignity, just like men should.


This is going to come as a shock, but believe it or not, not all men find every female on Earth attractive, and not all men want attention from females.

Personally, I and many other men have been creeped out by women many times. I was as attracted to that woman or a few others who bothered me as your average female is to Harvey Weinstein. And yes, women and men have the right to reject anyone for any reason.

Just because they are females who think they are attractive does not mean they are entitled to whatever man on Earth they want, and it does not mean that men should feel any obligation to reciprocate the female's advances if he doesn't want to.

Why do women think they are entitled to whatever men they want to and think that they can get away with being disgusting and disrespectful?
Just to answer your question -- women shouldn't and many don't.

Can you give me a quote from a noted SJW that says men can't be harassed. Or are we living in your bubble again? Really -- you need to spread wings and get more out of life.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:46 PM
 
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So one weird fat woman harrasses you and you make it sound like the whole female popualtion finds you unbelievably desirable.
So when women complain about creepy men, are they sounding like the entire male population finds them unbelievably desirable?
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If she was bothering you in the store, why not report her to the manager? Would that of made the situation look even sillier? She did unwanted touching with her shoulder, I'd of pushed her away. Sounds like she was pretty dang close to begin with.

ahh...checkout lines tend to have people close together. And I didn't make a big deal out of it for the same reason many people, male and female, don't make a big deal out of situations like that: it was uncomfortable enough to begin with, and making a big deal out of it would have made it worse.


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If the gal had been this months playboy playmate, would that of bothered you?
If Chris Hemsworth did what Harvey Weinstein did, would as many women have been bothered?

What's good for the goose...
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:48 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Just because an other woman tried to engage you in a conversation doesn't mean she was coming on to you. Maybe you are the same age as her son or grandsons and she thought you looked sad and needed cheering up. Maybe she was just one of those people who talks to everyone standing in line near her. Maybe she'd had a few drinks and was being a little too friendly given the way you was acting toward her. You had your phone out, why didn't you just say, "If you don't mind I'm busy here." This happened a few weeks ago and you're still carrying it around and writing a manuscript post about it? That's long enough to figure out that her shoulder touching your shoulder was not sexual harassment. It may have been rude for her to invade your personal space, but sexual harassment actually....drum roll...involves touching body parts that are involved in titillating sex. Women are certainly capable of sexual harassment and it's just as bad as when a guy does it, but this situation sounds more like two social awkward people were standing in line next to each other and it did not go well.

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Old 11-17-2017, 03:52 PM
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I won't get in to the specifics of your experiences. The reason there are sexual double standards though is because men and women's sexuality is different. This is why women teachers who have sex with students are viewed differently than male teachers who do the same. This is why Roy Moore is a creep while Brigitte Macron is a cougar. This is why men who sleep with a lot of women are studs while women who sleep with a lot of men are considered sluts. Men and women are different and our sexualities are very different so the expectations made of us are different. I wouldn't even call it double standards, I'd call it different standards, and it's only natural.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:54 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The premise of your thread is false. Our company fired a woman last year for sexual harassment
Plenty of cases of sexual harassment by females in corporate land.


No guy would dare go to HR and complain.


Even proven false claims against men have no consequence for the female. Any claim by a woman against a man gets a company lawyer assigned immediately and guilt assumed.


One statistician handed routinely handed out Hershey candy kisses to the other stats, male and female. One woman complains and the guy is put on probation. Another director got a deal on some books and figured it was a nice gesture to hand them out as Christmas presents. the book had been on the best seller list. He never read it but it was titled, 'don't sweat the small stuff for women'. seemed a good pick for a high pressure job. Oh no, woman was offended the guy beat up by HR.


On one hand women activists claim women are strong, equal, yada yada. So why does society continue to treat women collectively as victims? It does them a disservice to assume all women need help and are underpaid.... we all need help and we are all under paid. We need to have individual situations addressed and corrected and determined if the problem is part of the company culture. Collectively favoring one over the other is a clumsy and ineffective strategy used to fight the perception of favoring one over the other.


Corporations run scared of federal regulators and so the hyper sensitivity, especially when the company business has to follow federal regulations apart from 'diversity' issues.


Killing the people you want to support you is a poor strategy to gain support.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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Just because an other woman tried to engage you in a conversation doesn't mean she was coming on to you. Maybe you are the same age as her son or grandsons and she thought you looked sad and needed cheering up. Maybe she was just one of those people who talk to everyone standing in line near her. Maybe she'd had a few drinks and was being a little too friendly given the way you was acting toward her. You had your phone out, why didn't you just say, "If you don't mind I'm busy here." This happened a few weeks ago and you're still carrying it around and writing a manuscript post about it? That's long enough to figure out that her shoulder touching your shoulder was not sexual harassment. It may have been rude for her to invade your personal space, but sexual harassment actually....drum roll...involves touching body parts that are involved in titillating sex. Women are certainly capable of sexual harassment and it's just as bad as when I guy does it, but this situation sounds more like two social awkward people were standing in line next to each other and it did not go well.

Okay, so saying "a man of few words...I like that" is something she would say to her grandson?

And it was not "her shoulder touching mine." As I said, she pressed her shoulder against mine...after saying "I looked good"....


If she just asked me about getting wheat grass and junk food, it would have been no big deal...but I don't like getting random compliments from strange women while trying to go to the store.

You and I both know that if the genders were flipped, you would have a completely different reaction.

Thank you for proving my point.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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Just to answer your question -- women shouldn't and many don't.

Can you give me a quote from a noted SJW that says men can't be harassed. Or are we living in your bubble again? Really -- you need to spread wings and get more out of life.
Its been said a few times. But why the requirements that it be a noted SJW? The argument then would devolve around whether the person was a noted SJW...but why does it have to be a "noted sjw"? I have personally heard this from a local SJW, however to be fair after some discussion they backed off from it.

And let me point out, you've read enough of my posts by now to know im not one of the deplorables.

Although this does seem like quite a bit of effort on the OP to try and deflect current discussions.
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