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Old 11-18-2017, 07:23 AM
 
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China built 22,000 km (14,000 miles) of high speed rail in about 8 years, accounting for 65% of the world total, vastly transforming the rail transportation in the country. The US so far has built none, and one argument is that it is too expensive.

Admittedly it is much cheaper to build HSR in China than in the US. For China's case, it cost about $340 billion.

According to the world bank, it is 1/3 cheaper to build HSR in China than in developed countries. Let's say US cost is even higher and is three times as much. To build the same network it would cost US taxpayers $1 trillion.

Cost of High Speed Rail in China One Third Lower than in Other Countries

Sounds expensive? Not really. During the same time China was building HSR, the US spent $2.4 trillion in the Afghanistan and Iraq war alone, enough to build the Chinese network 2.5 times.

Yet people still think it is too expensive to build high speed rail in the US, even in the densely populated coastal areas.

It is just unbelievable that there is not an outcry over such wasteful taxpayers money on foreign wars while not investing in the outdated infrastructure. For those who think "we have cars and planes, and we don't need the damn high speed rail", come on. That's just provincial because you have never taken a high speed rail.
I think you're right. But to prove it, you should put together a business plan and raise the money to build it.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:25 AM
 
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The smell of pork is heavy on this one


And "paying for itself" oh lordy
All you need to do his look at California's current HSR they are constructing, as an example in the US, and seeing how much over budget and behind schedule they are.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:31 AM
 
Location: SGV
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Is high speed rail really too expensive to build for the USA?
Nothing is too expensive when it ain't your money.

~ common statist proverb
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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If the people wanted high speed rail the cost wouldn't be insurmountable.

But they don't......

We're too married to our cars and the freedom and independence they bring to care about high speed rail.
Cars are heavily subsidized as are building practices sprawl that encourage them. Cars are not freedom if you are chained to car payment constant maintenance long commutes.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:44 AM
 
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Cars are heavily subsidized as are building practices sprawl that encourage them. Cars are not freedom if you are chained to car payment constant maintenance long commutes.
Yes, Obama did subsidize a lot of cars.

I disagreed with him on that, but liberals and unions supported him in that decision.

Did you oppose his actions?

As far as payments go, how is it that I don't have a payment on my vehicle?
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:45 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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If it ran on coal, they’d be all for it.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by botticelli View Post
China built 22,000 km (14,000 miles) of high speed rail in about 8 years, accounting for 65% of the world total, vastly transforming the rail transportation in the country. The US so far has built none, and one argument is that it is too expensive.

Admittedly it is much cheaper to build HSR in China than in the US. For China's case, it cost about $340 billion.

According to the world bank, it is 1/3 cheaper to build HSR in China than in developed countries. Let's say US cost is even higher and is three times as much. To build the same network it would cost US taxpayers $1 trillion.

Cost of High Speed Rail in China One Third Lower than in Other Countries

Sounds expensive? Not really. During the same time China was building HSR, the US spent $2.4 trillion in the Afghanistan and Iraq war alone, enough to build the Chinese network 2.5 times.

Yet people still think it is too expensive to build high speed rail in the US, even in the densely populated coastal areas.

It is just unbelievable that there is not an outcry over such wasteful taxpayers money on foreign wars while not investing in the outdated infrastructure. For those who think "we have cars and planes, and we don't need the damn high speed rail", come on. That's just provincial because you have never taken a high speed rail.
Thank you... appreciate someone seeing the absurdity of not building High Speed Rails in the US. Its pure insane, we need a whole new set of politicians. If we get rid of the Republican always chasing Tax Cuts, we could have one, as well as Health Care Nationalized and many other things. I hope at some point American awakens and abolish the Republican Mentality in this country. It has been a killer of many sorts to everything that can move America forward as a nation and on the comparable levels of tech advancements with the rest of the world.
These Republican Whine about anything and everything, and then cut their own throats just so Republican Can give the wealthy ANOTHER Tax Cut and Credit. It's the most absurd thing ever!!!!
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:47 AM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Nothing is too expensive when it ain't your money.

~ common statist proverb

Sixteen years in Afghanistan certainly proves that.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Like the Interstate Highway System, I suppose?

Private companies? Hmm, the late 19th Century (a.k.a. Gilded Age) is well known for "Robber Barons" heading railroad and oil companies. Sure doesn't sound to me like private companies are the magic bullet killing all the problems with "government this" and "government that".
Those robber barons and their railroads were put in place by the government. Monopolies are almost always created by and/or sustained by government.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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Suppression of new or better technology to keep certain industries afloat has been going on for a very long time in the US, Since about 1951 with the Invention Secrecy Act.

The sad thing is, if we stay in this mentality, we will never progress much further than we are right now.
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