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Old 11-18-2017, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Sixteen years in Afghanistan certainly proves that.
Exactly! And also the 80 year war on drugs and the 40 year war on poverty, etc.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Nothing is too expensive when it ain't your money.

~ common statist proverb
And that's what makes it work quite well in China.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:51 AM
 
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Suppression of new or better technology to keep certain industries afloat has been going on for a very long time in the US, Since about 1951 with the Invention Secrecy Act.

The sad thing is, if we stay in this mentality, we will never progress much further than we are right now.
How are you being prevented from raising the money and building it?
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Yes, Obama did subsidize a lot of cars.

I disagreed with him on that, but liberals and unions supported him in that decision.

Did you oppose his actions?

As far as payments go, how is it that I don't have a payment on my vehicle?
I am not talking about the bailouts but I opposed them since I am not a center right politician like Obama. Cars are subsidized because the auto companies have lots of clout and cities are designed around them. Don't fool yourself that they are more cost effective or that more people want them they are just what is a available kind of like how junk food is cheaper because that to is subsidized.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Cars are heavily subsidized as are building practices sprawl that encourage them. Cars are not freedom if you are chained to car payment constant maintenance long commutes.
Not me. I have no car payments; haven't done that for over 30 years. And no commute. Maintenance is a trivial activity.

Cars represent freedom today just like horses did 200 years ago.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:52 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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One can only imagine the cronyism that would take place to construct a rail system with politicians and their pals buying up parcels land in the proposed rights of way and then reselling them to taxpayers at criminally inflated prices.
That's one thing that's always left out of discussions like this: Whose land are they going to take to build this system? And for anyone who resists? They'll get a court order and take it anyway.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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I am not talking about the bailouts but I opposed them since I am not a center right politician like Obama. Cars are subsidized because the auto companies have lots of clout and cities are designed around them. Don't fool yourself that they are more cost effective or that more people want them they are just what is a available kind of like how junk food is cheaper because that to is subsidized.
You think more people would rather have a high speed train instead of a car?

Question. If I want to go to the store to get a bunch of groceries, would I simply use an app to summon the train to my front door and take me to the store where it waits patiently for me or do I have to call the train operator from my phone?
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Suppression of new or better technology to keep certain industries afloat has been going on for a very long time in the US, Since about 1951 with the Invention Secrecy Act.

The sad thing is, if we stay in this mentality, we will never progress much further than we are right now.
Actually, quite the opposite. Private industry is inventing and improving things at a pace faster than any time in the history of the world.

And private industry is quite capable of bringing us the next transportation breakthrough (driverless vehicles) when the cost/benefit equation is positive.

There is absolutely no need for governments to interfere with technological progress.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:57 AM
 
Location: WY
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One high speed rail line carries as many people as a 12 lane highway for starters.
Don't want to be that close to that many people. The thought of it makes my skin crawl.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Austin
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You think more people would rather have a high speed train instead of a car?

Question. If I want to go to the store to get a bunch of groceries, would I simply use an app to summon the train to my front door and take me to the store where it waits patiently for me or do I have to call the train operator from my phone?
Yes! Yesterday it was "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage". Now it's "a train in every driveway and trains that take me anywhere".
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