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Old 11-23-2017, 07:28 PM
 
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One of the reasons the US Justice system is so inept at dealing with crime is US prisons are essentially college for inmates they go and come out a better criminal. Solutions to deal with this largely fall on deaf ears since our country is set up to massively punish people even for minor crimes and offenses. Solutions to this crisis remove the stigma of hiring a ex convict if they can't get jobs because of criminal record this in effect creates a double punishment despite the fact the time has been served. If criminals can't find jobs they return to crime. If we as a country cared about reducing crime we need to help train prisoners in demand jobs and fields make it so they don't become de facto second class citizens on release and help line up jobs for them. With a lower recidivism rate we could have a higher GDP as more citizens become productive and pay taxes.
to bold 1 : to start off, if you want a solution you need to define you definition of minor crimes and offenses

to bold 2 : its been proven over and over again that reconditioning or inmate reform does NOT work
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Old 11-23-2017, 07:34 PM
 
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to bold 2 : its been proven over and over again that reconditioning or inmate reform does NOT work
Interesting..how about supporting that with some data?
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Old 11-23-2017, 07:47 PM
 
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Interesting..how about supporting that with some data?
An estimated two-thirds (68 percent) of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of release from prison

About 77 percent of inmates are rearrested within five years of release....doesn't sound like retaining is helping very much

More than a third (37 percent) of prisoners who were arrested within five years of release were arrested within the first six months after release, with more than half (57 percent) arrested by the end of the first year.

Within five years of release, 82 percent of property offenders were arrested for a new crime, compared to 77 percent of drug offenders, 74 percent of public order offenders and 71 percent of violent offenders.

Offenders convicted of crimes involving guns are far more likely (86 percent) to end up being arrested again.


Within five years of release, 84 percent of inmates who were age 24 or younger at release were arrested for a new offense, compared to 79 percent of inmates ages 25 to 39 and 69 percent of those age 40 or older.....Prisoners released before turning 21 had a rearrest rate of about 68 percent; those released at age 60 or older had a rate of 16 percent.... useful data for advocates of “compassionate release” of elderly inmates, but shows reform does not work for a vast majority of inmates




https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pres...s05p0510pr.cfm
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Old 11-23-2017, 07:57 PM
 
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About 77 percent of inmates are rearrested within five years of release....doesn't sound like retaining is helping very much

Prisoners released before turning 21 had a rearrest rate of about 68 percent; those released at age 60 or older had a rate of 16 percent.... useful data for advocates of “compassionate release” of elderly inmates, but shows reform does not work for a vast majority of inmates

Offenders convicted of crimes involving guns are far more likely (86 percent) to end up being arrested again.
I'm guessing you meant to type 'retraining', but re-entry programs do work, I'm not sure why you didn't do a little research on your own?

https://efficientgov.com/blog/2017/0...cing-programs/

https://csgjusticecenter.org/jr/post...-and-how-well/
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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"If we as a country cared about reducing crime we need to help train prisoners in demand jobs and fields"

They are already trained. Low skill jobs are the ones that also have a difficult time filling them. Cooks, produce pickers, lawn maintenance, etc, are all low skilled jobs that anyone can walk into and start with minimum training. They are so low skilled that many illegal and legal immigrants take up these jobs when they first get to the US.
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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I'm guessing you meant to type 'retraining', but re-entry programs do work, I'm not sure why you didn't do a little research on your own?

https://efficientgov.com/blog/2017/0...cing-programs/

https://csgjusticecenter.org/jr/post...-and-how-well/
yes meant to type retraining

and the retraining programs don't work...

I even linked to the bop/doj analysis
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:12 PM
 
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yes meant to type retraining
and the retraining programs don't work...
I even linked to the bop/doj analysis
Your source says nothing about any re-entry programs, does it? Not one word.... If you want to claim that re-entry programs don't work, then you need to support that with data showing that they don't work.
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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"If we as a country cared about reducing crime we need to help train prisoners in demand jobs and fields" They are already trained. Low skill jobs are the ones that also have a difficult time filling them. Cooks, produce pickers, lawn maintenance, etc, are all low skilled jobs that anyone can walk into and start with minimum training. They are so low skilled that many illegal and legal immigrants take up these jobs when they first get to the US.
87% of employers do criminal background checks, I've already discussed that here. Most of the temp agencies screen out felons and reject them even for day labor jobs.
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:46 PM
 
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Prison costs per prisoner could drop massively if we disallow amenities. Just a building with cells and walls, and a basic kitchen.

No cable tv, no recreation equipment, no library.
From what I could find, the current cost of incarceration per inmate in California is between 70-71k per year.

I don't know what it is currently in Texas, but in 2010 it was about 20k per inmate in Texas.
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:48 PM
 
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87% of employers do criminal background checks, I've already discussed that here. Most of the temp agencies screen out felons and reject them even for day labor jobs.
well of course they do...those people cant get bonded or a security clearance....they are not hirable for any responsible job to begin with


but the simple fact is with over 70% of released criminals being rearrested with 5 years...it shows that retraining or reforming programs are not working.... if it was working the re-arrest percentage would be much lower
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