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Old 11-23-2017, 08:48 PM
 
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The current cost of incarceration per inmate in California is between 70-71k per year. I don't know what it is currently in Texas, but in 2010 it was about 20k per inmate in Texas.
It's actually $75,000 a year in California, but believe me the money isn't going for amenities for inmates.
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:50 PM
 
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but the simple fact is with over 70% of released criminals being rearrested with 5 years...it shows that retraining or reforming programs are not working.... if it was working the re-arrest percentage would be much lower
Once again, where does it show that retraining or reforming programs are not working? You have yet to show one bit of evidence of that, but if you look at the links I provided for you you will see that re-entry programs actually do reduce recidivism
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:50 PM
 
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It's actually $75,000 a year in California, but believe me the money isn't going for amenities for inmates.
why are we to believe you.... so where is the 75k per inmate going, Mr. "all knowing"
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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Once again, where does it show that retraining or reforming programs are not working? You have yet to show one bit of evidence of that, but if you look at the links I provided for you you will see that re-entry programs actually do reduce recidivism
look at the numbers man

if the numbers showed that only 20% were rearrested then sure, it could be said that the retraining program is certainly working.....but you have around 80% being rearrested....that shows definitively that the program is not working
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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look at the numbers man
if the numbers showed that only 20% were rearrested then sure, it could be said that the retraining program is certainly working.....but you have around 80% being rearrested....that shows definitively that the program is not working
In the first place I'm not a man, in the 2nd place you have no reason to think that those federal inmates that were in the recidivism report ever had any form of retraining or participated in re-entry or pre-release programs. If you want to keep prattling on with the same talking point back it up with some data, find out how many federal inmates participated in any sort of rehabilitative program and what the recidivism rate was for those inmates.
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:01 PM
 
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why are we to believe you.... so where is the 75k per inmate going, Mr. "all knowing"
"Gov. Jerry Brown’s recently revised budget projects it will cost a record $75,560 to imprison each felon over the next year."
What can $75,560 get you in California? A prison cell | FOX59

If you don't have google on your computer you might want to install it so you can look these things up all by yourself.
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:09 PM
 
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87% of employers do criminal background checks, I've already discussed that here. Most of the temp agencies screen out felons and reject them even for day labor jobs.
Then how will retraining them accomplish anything?
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:16 PM
 
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Then how will retraining them accomplish anything?
workingclass used the term 'retraining' so to make matters simple in response to his posts I have used that term as well, they are usually called re-entry programs. They usually involve job training, education, drug rehab, mental health counseling and placement in supportive housing, continuity is usually provided with post release intensive supervision I cited two sources regarding the lower recidivism of the participants of some of these programs.

https://efficientgov.com/blog/2017/0...cing-programs/

https://csgjusticecenter.org/jr/post...-and-how-well/

Some of the programs have partnerships with private employers who will hire ex felons but finding employment is difficult for many of the ex offenders. Some states are teaching inmates how to run their own small business, i.e. landscaping, minor auto repair etc, but most don't have the start up money and have to rely on loans or grants to get going.
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:35 PM
 
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If criminals can't find jobs they return to crime. If we as a country cared about reducing crime we need to help train prisoners in demand jobs and fields
This is a very limited solution. Most of the prison population is comprised of low-IQ individuals, with characters unsuited to the workplace, who cannot be trained to do "demand jobs" in challenging fields.
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make it so they don't become de facto second class citizens on release and help line up jobs for them. With a lower recidivism rate we could have a higher GDP as more citizens become productive and pay taxes.
They need jobs and respect, but realistically most of them will only ever be able to do basic stuff. The best way to increase demand for their labor is to stop the flow of foreign workers flooding the market. But of course, the temptation to return to higher paying and, within their context, higher status criminal activity will be great. So there must be a stick to go with the carrot of decent, honest work and the respect of society. Repeat offenders should be treated harshly, to the point that they will fear the prospect of returning to jail. Put them to hard labor, bring back chain gangs... make them understand how much better it is to stay outside, even if you have to hold down a job.

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Old 11-23-2017, 09:40 PM
 
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Well, how about tackling the problem in the front, instead of behind? There has to be some reason why the incarceration rate is so high, which goes along with the crime rate.

The gov can simply seal the records, make not accessible, whatever, to solve the issue of criminal records. The gov are the only ones who make and retain such records. For a lot of non-violent crime, and maybe some violent, I would not mind having the records sealed, or destroyed even after a certain amount of time.

Drug abuse is a huge source of crime, tackling that is much more effective than trying to figure out what to do with a bunch of drug head former prisoners. I mean, why are people in the US so attracted to illicit drug use (include prescript)?
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