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Old 11-20-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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How are they working here if not by using a fake or stolen SS number (a felony) or working for cash evading taxes also a crime? So unless they have been caught and convicted of those crimes or other crimes they should be protected even though they crossed our border illegally and are working here illegally?
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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"When does the Trump administration start going after the employers that hire these people"

Been asked many times, maybe you didn't hear about it on any of the alphabet stations, and ANSWERED.

He IS and HAS been!

Trump has e-verify in his 2018 budget. Bet the Democrats won't go along with that though.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:22 AM
 
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Wages for any job are set by the market and what profit margins will allow. If you remove the lowest percentage of workers willing to do the job from the pool of potential employees, then wages will increase or the jobs will not exist at all. It's called supply and demand.......and it ain't rocket science.





Your own statistics above of 20% of all cooks and 50% of agricultural workers being illegal only proves my point that Americans will do these jobs because it means 80% of cooks and 50% of agricultural workers are Americans.

The whole "jobs Americans won't do" narrative is absolute BS.

There may have been some truth to it at one time, decades ago when the majority of illegals here were actually fruit pickers and ditch diggers........but that's not the case anymore.

Illegals have all but taken over the lions share of construction work in many areas of the country.......these are jobs that used to be the vocation of choice for blue collar American workers who either could not afford to go to college or were just not inclined to that type of career and enjoy learning a trade and working with their hands.
Skilled trade jobs like carpentry, painters, brick masons, roofers etc, that used to provide the worker with a good living wage after putting in their time mastering it, now have pay scales so low that they are barely better than flipping burgers thanks to a flood of illegal labor in the market.

Illegals have also made inroads into other blue collar jobs such as factory workers, forklift drivers, order pickers, truck drivers etc.

The person you are replying to is also incorrect about the percentage of illegals doing farm jobs. Only 2% of illegals are doing those jobs and for those jobs there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers. So why do we need illegals for those jobs? You are right on all accounts but the pro-illegals don't want to hear it or acknowledge the truth.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I am still wondering how cutting funds for Law Enforcement will make us safer.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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Not true. Americans will not go out and pick tomatoes or strawberries, etc. Your food is brought to you by a lot of migrant workers, many undocumented. That's what keeps prices low. California has been experiencing labor shortages in the fields for several years now. The earlier shortages may have been caused by the recession in the US. I remember a lot of us wondering, during the election, if anyone in Trump's camp knew that immigration was at a very low point even then. The state of Georgia experienced huge losses in agricultural profits when it instituted a crack down. I think that was in 2011. I think there are SOME jobs now done by a lot of undocumented workers that would be taken up by others if vacated. But certainly not all.
You're so full of it! Only 2% of illegals are picking crops and for those jobs there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers. Those who use illegals instead aren't passing any savings on to the consumer but what they do pass on to the taxpayer are their enormous social costs. No such thing as an undocumented either. You seem to be blurring the lines between legal and illegal immigration either by calling it all just plain ole "immigration".


The farmers in Georgia had no excuse not to get their crops picked when they had those unlimited visas they could have used. It was simply greed on their part so they only had themselves to blame. If we find we have a shortage of Americans to do any jobs then why haven't we increased our visas for more legal workers? That ought to tell you something right there. There is no shortage of American workers for any job sans crop picking only greedy employers wanting cheap, illegal labor to increase their profits. Who do you think were doing construction, landscaping, hotel, restaurant work etc. for a fair wage before millions of cheap illegals flooded our border?
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:36 AM
 
Location: USA
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I am still wondering how cutting funds for Law Enforcement will make us safer.
Cities should fund their own law enforcement. They need to get fiscally responsible, and instead of politicians buying votes with give aways they need to fund essential services instead.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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California has said, in law, that it will assist ICE with the deportation of CRIMINAL illegal aliens, but not with those who are innocent of crime. The reason is simple. Our cities are safer when people - ALL people - come forward to police to report crime and suspicious activity. If some people are afraid of being deported if they report a crime, they will not report it. Neither will they be witnesses to crimes they have seen. Neither will they cooperate with investigations. If everyone in a community helps the police, we will all be better off. So everyone needs to feel safe in doing so.

There is no such thing as a non-criminal illegal alien. They are all guilty of breaking the law not only by crossing our border illegally but committing felony ID theft and/or tax evasion at the very least.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: la la land
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Trump has e-verify in his 2018 budget. Bet the Democrats won't go along with that though.
It won't be mandatory and you and I both know it, there is no interest in making it mandatory as long as corporations and the chamber of commerce oppose it
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Rep. Marsha Blackburn: To save lives and money, we must cut off federal funding for sanctuary cities | Fox News

She mentions how immediately after SB1070 was signed in Arizona how the homicide rate immediately went down in Phoenix.

She is 100% correct though. After watching the Phoenix news for nightly for years, it is amazing how many Arizonans lives have been turned upside down by illegal aliens.

I hope and pray after Trump and Republicans amazing tax cuts pass that they start enacting Marsha Blackburn's patriotic immigration proposals.

Would be double pleasure if blue states were negatively impacted by Republican tax cuts and then Marsha Blackburn's conservative common sense proposals are enacted.
How have you been watching the Phoenix news for years if you lived in Denver not too long ago?
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:59 AM
 
Location: la la land
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There is no such thing as a non-criminal illegal alien. They are all guilty of breaking the law not only by crossing our border illegally but committing felony ID theft and/or tax evasion at the very least.
Crossing the border illegally is not a criminal offense, it is a civil infraction. And most of these people don't commit "felony ID theft" or "tax evasion" If they use a fake ID, the employer withholds taxes from their paycheck and sends it to IRS, and about 50% of them file returns with an ITIN number rather than a Social Security number.

"Collectively, America's undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.64 billion in state and local taxes every year with at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households filing tax returns using Individual Tax Identification Numbers.

Many who do not file tax returns still have taxes deducted from their pay checks. Out of that $11.64 billion total, undocumented immigrants pay $6.9 billion in sales and excise taxes, $3.6 billion in property taxes and about $1.1 billion in personal income taxes. ITEP estimated that if America's 11 million undocumented immigrants were granted citizenship allowing them to work legally, current state and tax contributions would be boosted by over $2.1 billion a year."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmc.../#1e6c8fed1de0
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