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Old 11-22-2017, 07:02 AM
 
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I would not put much stock into this story. The article linked by the OP is vague, at best, concerning where they desire to purchase land.


I imagine that this is simply a way to get their game talked about. After all, the Texas ranchers along the Mexican border are already against the Wall, and will fight (as they have before) against imminent domain procedures.
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Old 11-22-2017, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Gone
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If that were so then why did congress approve of the 700 mile long wall in 2006? Every heard of tunnel sensors? It's mostly the drug cartels that are doing that anyway. Here's proof that the good walls do work on the most porous areas of our border. This forces them to try and cross in much more difficult and dangerous areas so fewer will try. Why don't you and yours just admit to your real agenda why you don't want the wall?


Where U.S.-Mexico border fence is tall, it works


https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=5323928
I agree with fences and walls where they are useful and economically sound, the entire border, nope.
There are far easier and cheaper methods of dealing with the issue, step 1: cut off the benefits, step 2: arrest those that hire them, most would self deport with no jobs and freebies.
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Old 11-22-2017, 07:05 AM
 
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I would not put much stock into this story. The article linked by the OP is vague, at best, concerning where they desire to purchase land.


I imagine that this is simply a way to get their game talked about. After all, the Texas ranchers along the Mexican border are already against the Wall, and will fight (as they have before) against imminent domain procedures.
Correct and some of them would win since their titles go back before Texas was even part of the US, has worked against the state trying to take private lands and would hold up in court against the Feds also.
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Old 11-22-2017, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I agree with fences and walls where they are useful and economically sound, the entire border, nope.
There are far easier and cheaper methods of dealing with the issue, step 1: cut off the benefits, step 2: arrest those that hire them, most would self deport with no jobs and freebies.
As it stands they get no benefits unless they are born here. To address that we need a constitutional amendment and I agree with you that arresting the big business owners would do alot to deter hiring illegals. A wall though is the stupidest way to deal with the situation.
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Old 11-22-2017, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The Bush Wall contains serious gaps to accommodate special interests, a university, golf courses, resorts, ranches, HOAs and owners who fought back.

It took years for some Eminet Domain cases/ appeals to make their way through the courts and not all cases were won by government. I suspect land values in critical areas have and will continue to soar if/ when funding is made available to acquire land and build a wall.

Only a handful of states have made eVerify of all employees a state law. Why is this? It's a variation of sanctuary when employers can recruit and hire undocumented people without consequence.
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Old 11-22-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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As it stands they get no benefits unless they are born here. To address that we need a constitutional amendment and I agree with you that arresting the big business owners would do alot to deter hiring illegals. A wall though is the stupidest way to deal with the situation.


Big Business owners/ administrators typically use eVerify even when their state does not require them to do so.

It's small business that hires undocumented workers and the powerful Chamber of Commerce lobby that fights for small business to continue doing so.

Most small business owners do not have employees. In reality, many do and do not report all income and expenses.

There are reasons why Texas has not made eVerify of all employees a state law. Way too many profit off cheap labor and then turn around and blame big bad government for not doing its job.
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Old 11-22-2017, 09:22 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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I agree with fences and walls where they are useful and economically sound, the entire border, nope.
There are far easier and cheaper methods of dealing with the issue, step 1: cut off the benefits, step 2: arrest those that hire them, most would self deport with no jobs and freebies.
And many armed drones to take out foreign invaders.
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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And many armed drones to take out foreign invaders.
There's something really weird about people advocating for laws to be respected, but are totally fine with murdering people for the victimless crime of crossing a border.


You guys are some "special" folks.
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:38 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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There's something really weird about people advocating for laws to be respected, but are totally fine with murdering people for the victimless crime of crossing a border.


You guys are some "special" folks.
Would you allow your home to be invaded by whomever came strolling by? Would Mexico allow us to invade their country with all of our criminals/undesirables? We should offer freedom to all of our criminals as long as they cross the border into Mexico and see how that goes over. Maybe then the Mexican government would take care of the border for us...
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Old 11-22-2017, 11:06 AM
 
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There's something really weird about people advocating for laws to be respected, but are totally fine with murdering people for the victimless crime of crossing a border.


You guys are some "special" folks.
Mexican immigration law provides that illegal entry into that country is a felony punishable by up to two years imprisonment. Illegal re-entry after deportation from Mexico is punishable by a prison term of up to ten years.

Obviously, the government of Mexico does not regard illegal crossings of their border as "victimless crimes."

Why should we?

The correct answer, of course, is that we shouldn't.
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