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Old 11-20-2017, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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That is like saying, I am not a bad person because I only stole 2 items. Billy and Johnny stole 4 items , so they are REALLY bad. No matter how you try to twist the numbers, or paint him differently, Donald Trump has a lower approval rating than the Boston Strangler.

And, it is getting lower by the month. If he was such a wonderful President, wouldn't more and more people be saying "Wow, that guy REALLY is ok, I like him !" Instead, even people who voted for him, and supported him in the beginning, are starting to feel cheated. You can only fool people for so long. (Well, except for some of the Russian Trolls on here, they will rave about him no matter what, it is their job)


When campaign contributions in excess of $2,700 are provided by just 0.08% of the population, financing a campaign for a candidate that actually intends to better the lot of the average working stiff is a tall order.


In the end, Jeb Bush, Rubio, Kasich, et. al., cannot be competitive without selling out to wealthy bankers and hedge fund managers.


Just a fact.


For as long as anyone can remember, this 0.08% has been filtering out all non-corporate whores from the political process, leaving us with a choice between two equally corrupt candidates that are loyal only to the donor class.


In 2009, coinciding with the bank bailouts, working Americans had had enough.


We spilled out into the streets, community centers and parks to demand that elected officials once again be made accountable to the voters.


The Tea Party movement, essentially a rebirth of the Perot reform movement, took form.


Leaderless and spontaneous, the movement reflected the uncorrupted will of the most ordinary of Americans.


Of course the movement was attacked by the elite's foot soldiers in the dinosaur media, defamed and labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.


This is to be expected from people and a party that cannot win elections except through deceit, slander and low-level bribery.


So, while you are busy listing Trump's many flaws, you have yet to mention your preferred alternative to Trump or how this individual will avoid coming under control of the 0.08% when the election fund runs low.


In 20012, the choice was between Trump and any corporate ***** you might like.


https://www.opensecrets.org/overview...mographics.php
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Don't look now, but...

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I bet this just frosts you Marxist types.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...erkel-germany/
Your desperation is showing.

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Old 11-20-2017, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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All it proves is that recent national elections were anomalies. Voters have universal buyers' remorse and these unpopular victors cannot achieve their agenda and will be gone shortly. Good riddance to all!!
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:26 AM
 
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The fact that three countries have very unpopular leaders has no relevance in relation to Trump.

In terms of Merkel there may yet have to be another election in Germany as it doesn't look like a workable coalition is acheivable. So Merkel could be the first to go, the second to go will be May, and the knives will come out after we leave the EU. Whilst Macron will be the last to go, when he id defeated at the next French Elections.

As for Trump, the Democrats won't have the liability that was Hilary Clinton next time, so Trump will be up against much more popular and cedible opposition, and he may well be a one term President.





For example?
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:32 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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That is like saying, I am not a bad person because I only stole 2 items. Billy and Johnny stole 4 items , so they are REALLY bad. No matter how you try to twist the numbers, or paint him differently, Donald Trump has a lower approval rating than the Boston Strangler.

And, it is getting lower by the month. If he was such a wonderful President, wouldn't more and more people be saying "Wow, that guy REALLY is ok, I like him !" Instead, even people who voted for him, and supported him in the beginning, are starting to feel cheated. You can only fool people for so long. (Well, except for some of the Russian Trolls on here, they will rave about him no matter what, it is their job)
Absolutely not. People like you decided to be against every single thing he did, no matter what he did, in advance. Furthermore, you people suffer from group think and a person would be socially ostracized in your world for admitting Trump had done something right or even physically attacked due to the violent nature of the Alt-left. Even the things the left is in favor of, they refuse to work with Trump on because they don't care about the people, they care about their party getting more power. It's hilarious watching the left defend the TPP, NAFTA, foreign wars, bash the infrastructure bill, bash tax cuts, bash the economic recovery, etc.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:42 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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The fact that three countries have very unpopular leaders has no relevance in relation to Trump.

In terms of Merkel there may yet have to be another election in Germany as it doesn't look like a workable coalition is acheivable. So Merkel could be the first to go, the second to go will be May, and the knives will come out after we leave the EU. Whilst Macron will be the last to go, when he id defeated at the next French Elections.

As for Trump, the Democrats won't have the liability that was Hilary Clinton next time, so Trump will be up against much more popular and cedible opposition, and he may well be a one term President.
The fact that grass roots and populist candidates are becoming more popular in Europe than the corporate, globalist leaders couldn't possibly be more relevant since to Trump since it's exactly what happened here in 2016.

Which "much more popular and credible" candidates do you see sitting on the bench? Sanders will be 80 y/o. Biden will be 78 y/o and has way too much dirty laundry even if he was 58 y/o. Franken? He's toast. Keith Ellison, the racist, Muslim? Elizabeth Warren? Kamala Harris? Please do!
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:44 AM
 
Location: The Land Mass Between NOLA and Mobile, AL
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The fact that grass roots and populist candidates are becoming more popular in Europe than the corporate, globalist leaders couldn't possibly be more relevant since to Trump since it's exactly what happened here in 2016.

Which "much more popular and credible" candidates do you see sitting on the bench? Sanders will be 80 y/o. Biden will be 78 y/o and has way too much dirty laundry even if he was 58 y/o. Franken? He's toast. Keith Ellison, the racist, Muslim? Elizabeth Warren? Kamala Harris? Please do!
How about Booker from NJ?
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:45 AM
 
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The truth about political poll numbers in this climate is that they're ALL bad 40% is HIGH. Mitch, Nancy, Schumer, Ryan are all in the 20s/30s. Trump is probably the most popular major politician in the US on the federal level right now outside of like Bernie Sanders(I could poll + 60% too if I just promised the world to everybody for free). 40% in an environment where EVERYONE is against you, with nothing but negative coverage from the media(despite things actually going well), with people being afraid to admit that they support you because of the open hostility is unbelievable. As Einstein once said "What's right isn't always popular and whats popular isn't always right" and it takes a lot of courage to do what's right but not popular and that's what Trump is doing.



I would only add that not everyone polled shows up on election day.


The groups most likely to disapprove of Trump are also the groups most likely to not vote.


They showed up for Obama, but as soon as Obama was gone, they went back to pre-Obama participation levels.


If Democrats have another Obama floating around out there, I haven't seem him or her.


Of course, if prevailing wages increase significantly over the next three years, as they have already started to do, this will all be academic.


Trump will be able run on, "If you like your pay increase, you can keep your pay increase!"
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Absolutely not. People like you decided to be against every single thing he did, no matter what he did, in advance. Furthermore, you people suffer from group think and a person would be socially ostracized in your world for admitting Trump had done something right or even physically attacked due to the violent nature of the Alt-left. Even the things the left is in favor of, they refuse to work with Trump on because they don't care about the people, they care about their party getting more power. It's hilarious watching the left defend the TPP, NAFTA, foreign wars, bash the infrastructure bill, bash tax cuts, bash the economic recovery, etc.
He pull out, not really a major accomplishment, has done nothing to renegotiate NAFTA, has sent more troops to more places, no infrastructure is being addressed, did you mean Permanent Tax Cuts for the Rich, the economy has been recovering for years trump has do nothing to make it better, by the way where are those companies moving back to the US, where are all those new living wage jobs? Etc such as Repeal and Replace
Most of us were against trumps agenda from the beginning, we knew it was wrong beforehand and did not need them to implement them to know it, just so you know you will run out of excuses sooner or later.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:52 AM
 
Location: The Land Mass Between NOLA and Mobile, AL
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I'd vote for Cory Booker in 2020.
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