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Old 11-20-2017, 01:34 PM
 
Location: The Land Mass Between NOLA and Mobile, AL
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The fact that Saudi Arabia was never on that list makes all previous lists laughable. You might as well change the names to "countries the US doesn't like".
True.
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Old 11-20-2017, 01:43 PM
 
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Here is how the define it:

"Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism"

Executing your uncle does not boil down to international terrorism.

The whole list becomes meaningless when you insist there is terrorism, when there isn't.
Sending your delegates on foreign soil to assassinate others using chemical agents is considered acts of terrorism even if it is a relative. Trump made the right call.
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Old 11-20-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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I agree with the President's move.


Perhaps it will apply some more pressure on North Korea to.......well, I don't know what they will do.


Being on The List before did not seem to bother them. Mr. Bush the Younger taking them off The List in 2006 to help with negotiations did no good.


Of course, if the only criteria for going on The List is a state sending agents to foreign lands to assassinate people (whether domestic or foreign to said state), then no doubt Mr. Trump is taking a good hard look at Putin and Russia.


Just kidding on that last part.
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Old 11-20-2017, 01:56 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Bush took them off the list, and now Trump put them back on because they have assassinated people. Are political assassinations terrorism? I don't know, but CIA needs to be careful taking out our enemies, because otherwise they will become a terror organization based on Trump's definition.

Trump names North Korea a state sponsor of terrorism - CNNPolitics

Trump said that North Korea has "repeatedly" sponsored acts of terrorism, including "assassinations on foreign soil."

Nah, Chapter 1 of the book says that when we do it it's our patriotic duty, it's when others do it that it becomes terrorism..
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Old 11-20-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Watching Tillerson at the briefing it sounded like they're just starting to beat the drums and gin up public support for war.
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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The fact that Saudi Arabia was never on that list makes all previous lists laughable. You might as well change the names to "countries the US doesn't like".

Exactly.
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Sending your delegates on foreign soil to assassinate others using chemical agents is considered acts of terrorism even if it is a relative. Trump made the right call.
That was my point in the OP, because we also take out people on foreign soil if we consider them enemies, so even US is guilty of the same according to Trump’s new definition, and not only US, but many of our allies. I do not think political assassinations are acts of international terrorism.
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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Why would even a liberal complain about North Korea being put back on that list regardless of what's happening in the rest of the world?

North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un 'executes the family of his uncle Jang Song-Thaek' | Daily Mail Online

And he just killed his half brother a few months ago
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...utes/98444574/
Because th elist is supposed to be state sponsors of terror, yet it contains countries with no history of sponsoring terrorism and leaves out the biggest sponsors.

Change the name of the list to reflect what's actually on it, or change the countries on the list so that it actually has something to do with terrorism.
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:08 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The fact that Saudi Arabia was never on that list makes all previous lists laughable. You might as well change the names to "countries the US doesn't like".

I think you need to add "but happily sells weapons to and takes their $$$" to "countries the US doesn't like".
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Because th elist is supposed to be state sponsors of terror, yet it contains countries with no history of sponsoring terrorism and leaves out the biggest sponsors.

Change the name of the list to reflect what's actually on it, or change the countries on the list so that it actually has something to do with terrorism.
Yes, change the name of the list to what it really represents. Maybe “political opponents of the US” would be more accurate.
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