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Old 11-27-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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Democrats are not being allowed to participate. Got that? Democrats are not being allowed to participate in health care or tax bills - or really - anything at all. This is a Republican ruled country right now and every single thing that happens is owned by the GOP.

"Unwilling to make concessions to Democrats, GOP leaders have pursued a legislative strategy designed to cut them out entirely, using a procedural tool known as budget reconciliation that allows them to circumvent the 60-vote threshold to defeat a filibuster."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...reform/541197/
Democrats DON'T want to participate - Got that?

Democrats: Tax reform failure will flip the House
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has no interest in playing ball with Republicans, putting her at odds with some of her members.|Politico - 10/24/17


House Democrats have spent weeks publicly lambasting Republicans for trying to muscle through a partisan tax overhaul. But privately, Democratic leaders have no intention of engaging with Republicans even if they offered, sources close to them say.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is convinced another GOP crash-and-burn would likely hand Democrats the House next year, so there’s no political upside to playing ball.

“You will be in the majority” if Republicans continue to stumble, Pelosi said during a closed-door caucus meeting on Tuesday, according to sources in the room.


OK - they don't "want to participate" and that is certainly their choice - BUT, be perfectly aware that it's a Political Choice that Pelosi/Schumer have made because they believe that it is their path to winning the House/Senate back in 2018[/b][/url]

Budget Reconciliation is commonly used in Tax Bills, it's also been used in other bills - the same Democrats that are whining about it now didn't whine when Bill Clinton used it several times and when Pelosi/Reid/Obama used it to pass the Affordable Care Act -- which was NOT a Budget or Tax Bill.

Am I surprised that The Atlantic failed to disclose any of that? ........ NOPE.

It's wrong to assume the Leftists and Democrats don't have a Tax Plan - their plan is the same for pretty much everything - OBSTRUCTION. They even admit that if they can cause enough Obstruction and refuse to "participate" in any Legislation ..... they will win Politically.

In the meantime -- they are passing on any effort at all to include items in the Tax Plan that might help the people who elected them. They are fully aware that the people who elected them will vote for them again because they pay zero attention to what Congress is supposed to be doing.
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Old 11-27-2017, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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It's wrong to assume the Leftists and Democrats don't have a Tax Plan - their plan is the same for pretty much everything - OBSTRUCTION. They even admit that if they can cause enough Obstruction and refuse to "participate" in any Legislation ..... they will win Politically.
It can't be OBSTRUCTION if you don't have the votes to block the legislation. Pelosi is smart for not getting her fingerprints on legislation that is guaranteed to be a disaster. I only wish they had taken this approach with the Iraq War.
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Old 11-27-2017, 08:03 AM
 
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It can't be OBSTRUCTION if you don't have the votes to block the legislation. Pelosi is smart for not getting her fingerprints on legislation that is guaranteed to be a disaster. I only wish they had taken this approach with the Iraq War.
Why work on "block legislation" when you can contribute and have leverage for your constituents?
When Republicans did this sort of thing - the Leftists screamed they were the Party of NO and the Media excoriated them for it - now the Leftist Party of NO is celebrated as "smart".

If it wasn't for Double Standards, the Leftists and Media would have NO Standards at all.

This is one of the reasons that Donald Trump was elected by the Forgotten Men & Women in America.
We are FED-UP with this Bat-Guano.
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Old 11-27-2017, 07:32 PM
 
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Why work on "block legislation" when you can contribute and have leverage for your constituents?
When Republicans did this sort of thing - the Leftists screamed they were the Party of NO and the Media excoriated them for it - now the Leftist Party of NO is celebrated as "smart".

If it wasn't for Double Standards, the Leftists and Media would have NO Standards at all.

This is one of the reasons that Donald Trump was elected by the Forgotten Men & Women in America.
We are FED-UP with this Bat-Guano.
Why are you still defending this garbage tax plan?

Seriously.

It. Is. Not. Good. For. This. Country.

It can't be said any more clearly.

This is a corporate giveaway. After five years, the benefits to individual tax payers goes away. Corporate cuts are permanent.

Corporate America doesn't drive America. Small business America does.

Many in small business America don't pay corporate tax rates, they pay individual tax rates.

Corporate America will not invest savings from taxes in more jobs or invest in America. They'll do stock buybacks more than likely.

Small business America is far more likely to reinvest.

Most of you, most of America, are employed by a small business. The *** kissing of corporate America will always bewilder me.
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Old 11-27-2017, 07:48 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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Why work on "block legislation" when you can contribute and have leverage for your constituents?
When Republicans did this sort of thing - the Leftists screamed they were the Party of NO and the Media excoriated them for it - now the Leftist Party of NO is celebrated as "smart".

If it wasn't for Double Standards, the Leftists and Media would have NO Standards at all.

This is one of the reasons that Donald Trump was elected by the Forgotten Men & Women in America.
We are FED-UP with this Bat-Guano.
Well what would the GOP be giving up in order to sway Democrats to work with them? The GOP is putting the ACA mandate on the chopping block, that doesn't give much signal they are willingly to compromise in any meaningful way. Seems more like leverage.
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