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Old 11-20-2017, 03:24 PM
 
Location: The Windy City
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I hear this "blue states fund red states" or "blue counties fund red counties" argument all the time in Chicago due to the city vs downstate rivalry. On paper it appears to be true, but if you dig down deeper, it's somewhat deceiving.

Using Mississippi, South Carolina, and Georgia as an examples, it appears that the poorest parts of the state vote blue. I'd imagine that the poor parts of a state have a higher percentage of people making use of government assistance programs.

Any thoughts on this?
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:28 PM
 
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I hear this "blue states fund red states" or "blue counties fund red counties" argument all the time in Chicago due to the city vs downstate rivalry. On paper it appears to be true, but if you dig down deeper, it's somewhat deceiving.

Using Mississippi, South Carolina, and Georgia as an examples, it appears that the poorest parts of the state vote blue. I'd imagine that the poor parts of a state have a higher percentage of people making use of government assistance programs.

Any thoughts on this?
Rural areas are what elected Trump and rural areas are who tends to vote for Republicans. Further, rural areas cannot support their own infrastructure because they don't have the tax base. That highway that runs through their towns? They can't pay for that and they cannot pay for the maintenance for it. So they tax urban dollars to pay for it while urban votes count less than rural votes. I live in a blue state with red rural areas. They complain that the urban areas control the state. We say "fine, let us keep our tax dollars in our own counties". They suddenly get very quiet because they need our tax dollars.

As American as Apple Pie? The Rural Vote’s Disproportionate Slice of Power

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/u...-of-power.html
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Old 11-20-2017, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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I mean the whole Blue-State/Red-State thing is kinda weird....most states have a fair mixture of both.

There are a lot of Republican in California!
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Old 11-20-2017, 05:10 PM
 
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Rural areas are what elected Trump and rural areas are who tends to vote for Republicans. Further, rural areas cannot support their own infrastructure because they don't have the tax base. That highway that runs through their towns? They can't pay for that and they cannot pay for the maintenance for it. So they tax urban dollars to pay for it while urban votes count less than rural votes. I live in a blue state with red rural areas. They complain that the urban areas control the state. We say "fine, let us keep our tax dollars in our own counties". They suddenly get very quiet because they need our tax dollars.

As American as Apple Pie? The Rural Vote’s Disproportionate Slice of Power

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/u...-of-power.html
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Old 11-20-2017, 05:14 PM
 
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Rural areas are what elected Trump and rural areas are who tends to vote for Republicans. Further, rural areas cannot support their own infrastructure because they don't have the tax base. That highway that runs through their towns? They can't pay for that and they cannot pay for the maintenance for it. So they tax urban dollars to pay for it while urban votes count less than rural votes. I live in a blue state with red rural areas. They complain that the urban areas control the state. We say "fine, let us keep our tax dollars in our own counties". They suddenly get very quiet because they need our tax dollars.

As American as Apple Pie? The Rural Vote’s Disproportionate Slice of Power

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/u...-of-power.html
Uhh the largest numbers of poor people are in inner cities. So although the urban areas do help with infrastructure for the entire state...the people in the suburbs and rural areas put less strain on other types of state resources and state funding.

Also those areas are helping fund all of the people on welfare in for the large cities.

wth you can't just pick and choose one little thing to try and prove a point.
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Old 11-20-2017, 05:19 PM
 
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This blue States fund red States stuff is just nonsense. How in the world are any States sending more money to DC than they get in Federal spending when we have trillion dollar deficits? They are counting all of the tax money they send to DC and only part of what flows back. How does NY & NJ count the tens of billions in Sandy relief? How do the blue States count military spending, federal employees, Pell grants to their kids, and on and on....
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Old 11-20-2017, 05:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I hear this "blue states fund red states" or "blue counties fund red counties" argument all the time in Chicago due to the city vs downstate rivalry. On paper it appears to be true, but if you dig down deeper, it's somewhat deceiving.

Using Mississippi, South Carolina, and Georgia as an examples, it appears that the poorest parts of the state vote blue. I'd imagine that the poor parts of a state have a higher percentage of people making use of government assistance programs.

Any thoughts on this?

Blue States get a federal income tax break, because they have a State income tax. Numbers manipulating and counting one for the other you can come up with any numbers you wish.

But the fact is, those states with a state income tax, pay less in federal taxes than do I.
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Old 11-20-2017, 05:26 PM
 
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Rural areas are what elected Trump and rural areas are who tends to vote for Republicans. Further, rural areas cannot support their own infrastructure because they don't have the tax base. That highway that runs through their towns? They can't pay for that and they cannot pay for the maintenance for it. So they tax urban dollars to pay for it while urban votes count less than rural votes. I live in a blue state with red rural areas. They complain that the urban areas control the state. We say "fine, let us keep our tax dollars in our own counties". They suddenly get very quiet because they need our tax dollars.

As American as Apple Pie? The Rural Vote’s Disproportionate Slice of Power

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/u...-of-power.html
The highways that run through rural areas are used to transport goods to urban areas. If not for an adequate highway system you'd have to pay a lot more at the store, so actually it's the blue urban centers that are being subsidized.
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Old 11-20-2017, 06:18 PM
 
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I hear this "blue states fund red states" or "blue counties fund red counties" argument all the time in Chicago due to the city vs downstate rivalry. On paper it appears to be true, but if you dig down deeper, it's somewhat deceiving.

Using Mississippi, South Carolina, and Georgia as an examples, it appears that the poorest parts of the state vote blue. I'd imagine that the poor parts of a state have a higher percentage of people making use of government assistance programs.

Any thoughts on this?
I imagine your imagination is not so good. The wealthier parts of my state (Georgia) are tending blue.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Blue States get a federal income tax break, because they have a State income tax. Numbers manipulating and counting one for the other you can come up with any numbers you wish.

But the fact is, those states with a state income tax, pay less in federal taxes than do I.
Only the case if you itemize. I don't have a home mortgage, or kids, and am not married (yet), so I take the standard deduction, and have to pay both federal and state income tax
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