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Old 11-21-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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Fatal flaw. Appointed demigods who get to "interpret" the Constitution, that was written in plain language. The States should have final say on what is the "law of the land" when it comes to disputes between the States. For our nation is but a voluntary union (well was until the Federal Occupying Force conquered them and made them perpetual prisoners of war) of States, the Fed was supposed to represent the State's interests, not the Fed's interests.
You can certainly hold that viewpoint but it's not how the founders set things up. You can work to change it.

 
Old 11-21-2017, 03:27 PM
 
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Judge rules Trump's sanctuary city order unconstitutional - CNNPolitics

Repeal Obamacare - fail
Ban Muslims - fail
Build wall and get Mexico to pay for it - fail
cut funding to most American cities - fail
bring jobs back to America - fail

So much winning
Agreed.

Trump promised to Repeal and replace
with.... BETTER ,CHEAPER, COVER MORE PEOPLE.

that has been a total failure. I see poster or two pretending TRump delivered. The fact Trump did not deliver anything other than increase prices for those on Obamacare /ACA.... not cheaper, not better not more people. and Trump promised he would do that.

Trump lied about "extreme vetting" we have had extreme vetting since Obama brought it in about 5 years ago.. NOT ONE Terrorist has gotten through the vetting system. not a single one, and trump has not changed the process. He merely shouted a lot and made up pointless bans...

Wall has no funding, and is window dressing, even FOX agrees on this point.

Cutting funding to cities , well i don't recall that as a pre election promise, but that was never really going to happen, there were fools here on this board who thought it would, but of course it would not and that is why smart mayors thumbed their noses at Trump they already knew they had the protection of a 200 year old doc....

bring jobs back? hmm i have yet to see any data that shows reshoring in a real and meaningful way. However the improving jobs market of 7 years has continued despite on legislation passing.. or maybe because of it. The participation rate remains firmly entrenched at 62 plus minus a bit. That is a long term issue and Trump deserves at least a couple of years before we judge him.

NOW LET'S BE FAIR to TRUMP.
Trump has started to deal with the H1B visa issue and he is doing it in a mature and workable way (so far)
I would have like it to be firmer, and maybe higher than 90K . It is tiny, it is small but it is real unlike most other stuff.
The H1B rule should have some flex for those already here as to avoid undue hardship. But if done right Trump really could help here...
 
Old 11-21-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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It is a District Judge. DOJ is on it.
And, the ruling only speaks to the monies that have already been distributed.

Seriously, someone needs to intervene on behalf of the overburdened tax payers of these sanction cities. There are literally communities in Calif. that do not have running water.....it is ludicrous how the Fed. funds use are prioritized in Calif. imo

Drought in California: Water crisis heats up as LA drains resource

Unpacking the California water crisis today | The Daily Californian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEKkKlTSe9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdVW2vsHGR8
 
Old 11-21-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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KrisAnne Hall nails it on Sanctuary Cities. It is a violation of law, and the Constitution to harbor and grant benefits to those who are in the country illegally, which is what Sanctuary Cities are doing:

https://youtu.be/gvLWt-2GDmg?t=261
cool story, yet NOPE. You need to twist everything to make it fit the way you want it to. and so sorry to tell you while that works for your ego on a forum a court does not entertain that sort of nonsense.
 
Old 11-21-2017, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Wrong. The Supreme Court is part of the Federal Government. It is NOT over it. The lower courts are created by Congress, as they see fit. They have no power or authority over the Executive Branch. Show me in the Constitution where it says they do. That would make them the Branch with the greatest power, which is not what the Framers intended.

The Judicial Branch is the weakest Branch. It was made so on purpose, because the Framers feared a tyrannical judiciary.
The great object of my fear is the Federal Judiciary. - Thomas Jefferson
The Branch with the greatest power is the Legislative Branch. Next, is the Executive Branch, and lastly the Judicial Branch.

The check on the Executive Branch is the Legislative Branch, which has the power of impeachment. They may also impeach judges for "bad behavior."

Constitution 101 and 201.
Cool story but wrong. Refer to the post below. There's no use in me repeating similar logic.


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Struck down clear laws and voided them.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...iage/28649319/

Struck down.

SCOTUS strikes down citizenship law - CNNPolitics

I intentionally picked a state law and a federal law.
 
Old 11-21-2017, 03:34 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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You can certainly hold that viewpoint but it's not how the founders set things up. You can work to change it.
It is set up that the States can have the final say. They can call a Constitutional Convention. The States are just scared to do so, because the Federal Occupying Force has shown what it does to States that do not bow down to the demands of their Federal Overlords. Wonder if any States would have ratified an arrangement that the Fed would ultimately become tyrant to the States...
 
Old 11-21-2017, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Southern West Virginia
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The Supreme court cannot "legalize" anything. They cannot make law. Only the Legislative Branch can make law. If they do so, they are in violation of the Constitution, which did not give them that power.

They only render opinions. Opinions are not law.


Wrong. SCOTUS does make law when it interprets the Constitution. That is the Common Law system. Stare decisis.

My state has an abortion statute that is still on the books, however no one can be prosecuted under it because of the decision in Roe v. Wade. When a law is stricken down because it is unconstitutional, Judges have essentially made law.

Lawyers call it "case law" (appellate court opinions) for a reason. When an appellate court interprets an ambiguity in a statute, it has made law.

Last edited by user491; 11-21-2017 at 03:57 PM..
 
Old 11-21-2017, 04:09 PM
 
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It is set up that the States can have the final say. They can call a Constitutional Convention. The States are just scared to do so, because the Federal Occupying Force has shown what it does to States that do not bow down to the demands of their Federal Overlords. Wonder if any States would have ratified an arrangement that the Fed would ultimately become tyrant to the States...
You can work to change things.
 
Old 11-21-2017, 04:10 PM
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Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Struck down clear laws and voided them.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...iage/28649319/

Struck down.

SCOTUS strikes down citizenship law - CNNPolitics

I intentionally picked a state law and a federal law.
If the Supreme Court issues an opinion that the law violates the constitution the states might listen. In this case it's one rogue judge. The SC has already upheld similar laws on drinking ages. The so-called judge is making the judiciary look bad.
 
Old 11-21-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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If the Supreme Court issues an opinion that the law violates the constitution the states might listen. In this case it's one rogue judge. The SC has already upheld similar laws on drinking ages. The so-called judge is making the judiciary look bad.
No, they will listen and I've covered the drinking angle already 3 or 4 times.
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