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Old 11-25-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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In Great Britain and similar democracies, multiple parties can act as a coalition to elect a prime minister. But that prime minister's administration will fall apart if the government runs into a crisis that shatters the coalition. This can put a prime minister into a politically shaky position in a crisis, right when a government needs to be the strongest. The founders wrote the Constitution to form "a more perfect union", i.e. one that established a stronger federal government than did the Articles of Confederation. And they thought that a majority-vote president was part of ensuring that stronger federal administration.
Equally a Presidents Administration may run in to crisis if they don't have the backing of Congress, and the Mid Terms can be a very difficult period in a Precidency. Then you have a maximum of two terms, meaning that an outgoing President is for a time a Lame Duck President.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NYUSA, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way.
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Do explain? Iím tired and not seeing how free market pertains here. Iím not satisfied with the current state of politics. Iíve been apathetic in general for years because of this mess, though I regained interest because of who the two main candidates were.

Maybe itís wishful thinking that things can change. We complain about what we get, but donít really try to change it.
All I'm saying:

In the free marketplace of ideas, 'what we have is what we got' re: government.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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The free market decides our elections, are you saying you're satisfied with the outcomes?
Does free market in this sense mean we are free to vote for whoever, so the results are what the majority want, right? Depressing thought. Iím not for trying to make people vote 3rd party, of course, just wishful that more would do it. At least some out there would vote for 3rd parties already, but have been convinced it could never mean anything. Sigh. We need new parties. Oh well.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:48 AM
 
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All I'm saying:

In the free marketplace of ideas, 'what we have is what we got' re: government.
Yeah, thatís what I realized after I asked you. I wonder what it would take for people to change. Maybe it wonít in my lifetime.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NYUSA, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way.
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Yeah, thatís what I realized after I asked you. I wonder what it would take for people to change. Maybe it wonít in my lifetime.
Without some sortof systemic changes to US campaign finance rules, laws, guidelines, etc. the prognosis is not good.

Status quo: 'seats' in government are sold to the highest bidders & as for as much as the market will bear.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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Winner take all = third parties cannot gain traction
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Old 11-25-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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Old 11-25-2017, 11:20 AM
 
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Well yes, actually...flip sides of the same coin, when it comes down to it
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Old 11-25-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Equally a Presidents Administration may run in to crisis if they don't have the backing of Congress, and the Mid Terms can be a very difficult period in a Precidency. Then you have a maximum of two terms, meaning that an outgoing President is for a time a Lame Duck President.
Yes - balancing the powers of the president with/against the powers of congress was one of their explicit goals. This is a feature, not a bug. They did not intend government to be controversy-free, or expect that everyone march to the same beat. What they wanted was to create a power structure with self-implementing internal brakes.

Someone above mentioned abolishing the electoral college. There are good arguments for doing that, and the problems of a president supported by only a minority of voters is one of them. There are good arguments for keeping the electoral college too, the founders were addressing a real problem when they invented it.

On balance, I support keeping the electoral college. But still, the electoral college does allow for two parties to dominate the political scene, and that's a real problem. I think there are several good ways to address it, but those have to be tackled by the states. States do control their electoral voters after all.

I've posted this several times before, and I'll post it again - National Popular Vote

I'm not sure this is the answer, but it does put the solution of the problem where I think it belongs - with the states.
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:56 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Humans still have a primitive tribal mentality. Us vs them. The two party system exploits this and manipulates people into supporting what they don't really support because X is done by "them" and Y is done by "our side."
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