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Old 11-24-2018, 12:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by SunGrins View Post
OP offers a ridiculous right wing theory of the near failure of the Plymouth settlement.
How lucky we are to have you here to tell us what really went on in the Plymouth colony, so much more knowledgeable than Gov. Bradford. Even though he was there and lived through every minute, with the responsibility to get his settlers through the worst of the winter, and wrote the grim account of what he saw with his own eyes and why it happened.

While you sit behind a keyboard and type out "what really happened" (with no references, of course) and assure us how "ridiculous" his documented, firsthand, on-the-spot accounts were.



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Bradford wrote about the first system they used: "...all profits & benefits that are got by trade, traffic, trucking, working, fishing, or any other means" were to be placed in the common stock of the colony, and that, "all such persons as are of this colony, are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock." A person was to put into the common stock all he could, and take only what he needed.

Bradford writes that "young men that were most able and fit for labor and service" complained about being forced to "spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children." Also, "the strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals and clothes, than he that was weak." So the young and strong refused to work and the total amount of food produced was never adequate.

To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land and told them they could keep what they produced, or trade it away as they saw fit. In other words, he replaced socialism with a free market, and that was the end of the famines.

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Old 11-24-2018, 02:38 AM
 
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Wrong but I'm not going to waste much time on this. Here are 18 profitable companies that paid no federal income tax between 2008 and 2016, it will be interesting to see how many make this list in 2019.

Pepco Holdings
PG&E Corp.
Wisconsin Energy
NiSource
International Paper
FirstEnergy
Priceline.com
Amos Energy
General Electric
American Electric Power
Ryder System
Duke Energy
NextEra Energy
Xcel Energy
Ameren
CMS Energy
Sempra Energy
Eversource Energy
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-th...-over-8-years/

There's quite a bit of difference between those companies not paying income tax and a poor family making $20,000 or $30,000 a year.
Without understanding why a Corp pays no tax, your “point” is meaningless.
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Old 11-24-2018, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Pretty much the same thing(s) - changing a word or two doesn't change history.
No, not the same thing. Huge difference. Two entirely different things and to say otherwise is amateurish. And no one is trying to change history here and it's silly to say otherwise. Socialism as well as crony capitalism, are failures.

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Ben Franklin, before he was a Founder, was a loyal Kings subject who petitioned (with some friends) for a large part of Ohio to be given to them. They had the plans all drawn up as to how they were going to profit vastly from it.

The King turned that particular request down (but had approved many similar requests). If the King would have Oked it, the American Revolution may never have happened. Ben would have been happy as a Pig in Chit with that 1/4 million acres.
sigh The Revolutionary War wasn't about land in Ohio.

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The entire Western Development of the world was based on the gun, sword and corporations. The Dutch became the richest in the world by use of the Corporation. The English followed suit, although they tended to share stuff much less (Brits had a strict caste system)...

There was never a date when it suddenly switched to "only by work will one prosper". This is not to say that - within the system - a person cannot flourish by hard and smart work. BUT, the entire system and history is about the Corporations and what you call cronyism - who you knew and where you happened to sit when OPP (other peoples property) was divided up.

There never was a time when things were the "good old days" and the world was a meritocracy. Or, if there was, I don't know about it. Please inform.
Inform is something that would do this post justice vs the silliness that was posted.
Again. When government gives favors to their buddies that isn't free market capitalism.

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Old 11-24-2018, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The IRONY of this thread and extremist posters ..... placing the Pilgrims a if a failed experiment ...... on this day they actually are remembered as settlers that began the mass migration of Europeans especially to North America .... that we call Thanksgiving that isn't about SOCIALSM or COMMUNES or FAILURE.

The irony of a era ..... anyone can get plentiful guns. Legally or not. Human Spirit works in all endeavors. Whether early highly religions folk who saw each okayed a roll in each others survival in a new land of little knowledge of what they would find and .... did they think of bringing all the seeds of their known food sources with them? That alone might have been what prevented their aspects looses and already probably in degrees of poor health in the distance they traveled.

Time if year of arrival .... also played a roll in crops needs to sustain them thru a winter they were accustomed to. Major hunters they were not to be much more meat eaters they needed to become thru hunting also. But enough survived to maintain the beginnings of more of ther types to come.

Including the Quakers to your Philly region. Also similar religions folk and Puritans to New England. Extremism is always going places that distort everything.....
Dunno what this is all about and why it was even posted. Can people be better prepared? Absolutely.
But it's not about that. It's about healthy people working for their needs vs relying on handouts.
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Old 11-24-2018, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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IU have just posted link aftewr link after link showing examples of tax evasion by the wealthy, interms of Non Domicile Residence, Offshore accounts and using offshore companies and subsidaries to hide profits.




What is theft is giant US Companies and their wealthy shareholders not paying taxes in other countries for instance Amazon sales in the UK are booked through the UK branch of a Luxembourg-based company, Amazon EU Sarl to avoid tax, whilst they pay out in share awards to avoid corportation tax.

These taxes are used to pay for important services and to maintain good infrastructure in other countries, and what these companiesc doing is nothing more than theft, which is why the nw Digital Servicess Tax will be introduced next year and why many countries across the world are becoming sick and tired of such practices.

Starbucks' EU business paid just 2.8% in UK tax last year - Business Insider

A 'latte levy' isn't nearly enough – Starbucks must do more - The Guardian

The Guardian view on UK tax havens: MPs are right to get tough - The Guardian

Tax avoiders' accountants may have to give evidence to MPs - The Guardian

The UK has had enough, as well as new tax haven rules, Non Domiciles will now have to pay more tax, as will a lot of companies who have exploited loopholes, whilst people using tax avoidance schenes will be blacklisted to ensure that they are awarded honours.

Budget 2018: Tech giants face digital services tax - BBC News

Permanent non-dom tax status to be abolished, chancellor announces - The Guardian

HMRC celebrity 'blacklist' over tax avoidance backed by Cable - BBC News

You are talking about tax evasion which is a form of crony capitalism. example - The electrical companies get tax breaks while the natural gas companies do not.

Quit relying on an inefficient government that spends so much. Problem solved.
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Old 11-24-2018, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The 'tax rate' means nothing when the wealthy and corporations use tax avoidance schemes and pay nothing.
Agreed. When the highest rate was 90 percent, I doubt anyone was paying it. Why would anyone work in order to keep only 10%?

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Old 11-24-2018, 05:26 AM
 
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You ignore what I posted and immediately fall back to your talking points.
Corporations paying no taxes because they have no taxable profit isn't a "talking point." It's reality. You seem to have no understanding whatsoever of how tax liability is determined. It's why 27% of all US 1040 filers pay no federal income tax and no payroll taxes whatsoever, with some of them actually getting PAID extra money by the Fed Gov just for filing the 1040.
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Old 11-24-2018, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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It's pretty well established that the Pilgrims starved because they were off course and landed far north of their planned destination, and were unprepared for the harsh New England winters.
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Old 11-24-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
You are talking about tax evasion which is a form of crony capitalism. example - The electrical companies get tax breaks while the natural gas companies do not.

Quit relying on an inefficient government that spends so much. Problem solved.
People just want companies to pay their way, the alternative is new legislation which is what is now happening.

As for electricity and gas, most countries treat energy bills as low or zero tax and VAT to help lower bills and relieve fuel poverty, whilst such energy companies pay relavant tax on profits and are regulated in to pricing and excessive profits at the expense of consumers. Most countries have enery regulators.
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:01 AM
 
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Have you noticed that when liberals can't come up with a sensible reply to the subject, they start ranting hysterically like this instead?
Nope haven't noticed that.
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