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Old 11-24-2017, 04:43 PM
 
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No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy
No more so than the OP but your argument shows that no one truly is interested in Capitalism.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Actually it should be filed under 666 (Chronic Lies and Abject Failures), not Economics, since Econ should not be based on lies, while socialism always is. Filing it anywhere else is like filing the Flat Earth tales under "Geography".

This From-everybody-according-to-his-means--to-everybody-according-to-his-needs scheme has failed to provide prosperity far more often than it has succeeded. The slippery-slope it creates killed the Soviet Union, and a similar one helped kill even the Pilgrims before the word "socialism" was even applied to it.

Modern liberals cannot refute its effect, but realize that it destroys any possible beneficial effect their ideology could have, as people gradually relax and get used to living off alms from their fellow man. So the liberals simply announce the slippery slope doesn't exist. They shut their eyes tightly, put their hands over their ears, and chant, "I don't see what happened, I don't want to hear it, the slippery slope is a fallacy, LA LA LA LA LA, I don't see what it has done, it's been debunked, it's someone else's fault, LA LA LA LA LA..." All without offering any evidence or backup for their words.

No wonder this ideology keeps popping up like a vampire at sundown. Its advocates see only what they wish it could do, not what it actually does. And they are overjoyed with the opportunity to call names and denigrate the people who try to point out the truth, rather than address the truth themselves.
No offense sunshine, but you're deluded if you think the Pilgrims were the victims of their economic system. They were horked from the get go. They weren't familiar with the endemic diseases, the agriculture, most were pie in the sky religious zealots so uptight England kicked them out.

They died of the most common cause of mass human suffering, their own stupidity and biting off more than they could chew. Their economics weren't even a tremor in the death throes of their original plan.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:49 PM
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Location: Here and now.
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That's right. You don't understand.
That did not hurt nearly as much as I suspect you intended it to.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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No offense sunshine, but you're deluded if you think the Pilgrims were the victims of their economic system. They were horked from the get go. They weren't familiar with the endemic diseases, the agriculture, most were pie in the sky religious zealots so uptight England kicked them out.

They died of the most common cause of mass human suffering, their own stupidity and biting off more than they could chew. Their economics weren't even a tremor in the death throes of their original plan.
Actually their failed economic system made more of them to deviate from the Hard Work ethic than disease or injury ever did. It was not the only cause of their misery, but it was a major cause. And it deserves to be addressed, so that normal modern-day people don't repeat their mistakes.

If not for the sloth encourage by their economic system, a lot more of them would have survived the first winters and enabled them to cope better than they did with their other problems.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:54 PM
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No offense sunshine, but you're deluded if you think the Pilgrims were the victims of their economic system. They were horked from the get go. They weren't familiar with the endemic diseases, the agriculture, most were pie in the sky religious zealots so uptight England kicked them out.

They died of the most common cause of mass human suffering, their own stupidity and biting off more than they could chew. Their economics weren't even a tremor in the death throes of their original plan.
Well, damn. I wasted the rep I had to give you on your last post.

I will not be quite so harsh as to call them stupid, but they were incredibly unprepared for the new life they faced in a land that bore almost no resemblance to anything they had ever encountered.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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No more so than the OP but your argument shows that no one truly is interested in Capitalism.
I think Capitalism is fascinating especially its adherents who worship at the altar of money and are so desperate to obfuscate the problems capitalism has that they will claim outlandish things like "capitalism has never been tried." Anyone who is honest sees right through that.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:57 PM
 
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I think Capitalism is fascinating especially its adherents who worship at the altar of money and are so desperate to obfuscate the problems capitalism has that they will claim outlandish things like "capitalism has never been tried." Anyone who is honest sees right through that.
I explained why. If you wish to address what I said, I'll listen.
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Old 11-24-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Actually their failed economic system made more of them to deviate from the Hard Work ethic than disease or injury ever did. It was not the only cause of their misery, but it was a major cause. And it deserves to be addressed, so that normal modern-day people don't repeat their mistakes.

If not for the sloth encourage by their economic system, a lot more of them would have survived the first winters and enabled them to cope better than they did with their other problems.
Economics had nothing to do with it. They had no economy. They couldn't produce enough food for themselves because they had no knowledge of the local climate, crops suited to Europe not their new locality, the soil was more suited to growing trees than crops (acidic and nutrient deficient), they were largely very poor hunters and fishermen so the abundant wild foods did little good for them. Do you have any idea what it took for a pioneer to clear land, grow crops, build a shelter, and cut firewood all with just basic crude hand tools and manual labor?
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Old 11-24-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I explained why. If you wish to address what I said, I'll listen.
What you said is nonsense capitalism is the dominant economic system on planet earth right now. You trying to lie about that fact makes you look disingenuous.
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Old 11-24-2017, 05:03 PM
 
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What you said is nonsense capitalism is the dominant economic system on planet earth right now. You trying to lie about that fact makes you look disingenuous.
What you are arguing is the level of Socialism you want. You are OK with Socialism as long as it's protecting the financial sector.

You support Socialism, you just don't want to call it that.
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