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Old 11-24-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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There might be something to it. But lefties do seem fearful of softer things, like hurt feelings. Righties are afraid of different things, like losing personal rights. But everyone is afraid of something.

It is interesting there are different parts of the brain to represent broad social connectedness and tight social connectedness. Seems a little suspect they could be so distinguished.
But being afraid of those softer things, according to documentaries I have seen, is what made us different - and human. We could tell by the look in others eyes what they felt and react to that with compassion and empathy (and, of course, fear or other emotions)....

Hurt feelings don't drop as many bombs, expose as many young people to horrible combat situations, beat spouses and children (or silently approve of), etc.

A perfect example is Texas. When I first heard that the schools allow a parent to paddle your kid I couldn't believe it! There are a lot of SICK people in this world including those who get "high" or otherwise excited when causing harm to children.

But in Texas, those are "soft liberal" feelings.

My point is simple - the BIGGEST problem we have today is the idea that there are two "sides" to each issue and they are approx. even....either in morality or immorality.

This is so far from the truth that I can't even get started explaining it.

I've known a lot of righties in my time and "losing personal rights" is a new talking point. The Right has traditionally been about business - BIG BUSINESS and how they can co-op the will of "the people". You cannot say on one hand that righties are Authoritarian and then say they are afraid of losing rights! Those are the opposite. They assign their rights to billionaires, con men, the military, police, etc. and - by definition - anything those people do is OK.

Don the Con - I mean if ANY other Politician in US History did or said 5% of the stuff he has, they would be thrown out on their butt. But he can do it because Authoritarians who don't understand he is talking about Talking Rights Away (co-opting law, not getting stuff through Congress, but using tweets and his big mouth) will take that for Gold.

I was thinking about this today. My leftie friends and I knew ONE thing when we were growing up "The Government LIES". Often. Almost Always. This was in the age of Nixon and Reagan and can be proven quite true...

I think Righties today have been convinced that it is the Media that lies and the POTUS tells the truth even tho the complete opposite is the case.

Sure - 100% I can see bad reporting, bad headlines, slanted stories and all the rest. But these are people trying to do their jobs in a crazy world.

Maybe this is why I never watched TV News and rarely bought a newspaper. The Nixon Tapes are enough to prove how the wrong types of Administrations work.

Fear also brings more violence, A scared animal is a dangerous one.

The sad part is that 90% of it is all BS. There is plenty of food, plenty of medical care and plenty of money to pay for it. There probably isn't enough to occupy the world......so we are going over budget. There isn't enough to give tax cuts, but - again - if the Billionaires/Authoritarians keep repeating the same thing over and over, the fearful right listens (or at least their representative do.

Just having their reps and Senators voting for more debt and deficit SHOULD be enough to have a million conservatives show up in DC and swear they will vote ALL of them out. But they are too busy trying to manipulate things so they get the biggest piece of everyone else's pie.
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:36 PM
 
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this sounds like an ad for the smithsonian magazine, i wonder what the mods would think of this? on the forum that i help administrate, this would be enough to get you banned from the forum permanently.

Well, I am sorry, but I couldn't get he article without a stupid ad.

I had read n the newspaper yesterday, and I will have to find it, but it said that a study showed that republicans, if not fearful of what is happening in the world, would be thinking like the Democrat in his/her views. And then I am reading a book called, Behave, the biology of humans at their worse and best, and the book mentioned the same thing, the fear factor in Republicans, and in Democrats, due to lacking the fear, are into compassion for others.

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Old 11-24-2017, 08:42 PM
 
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Why did you post two identical threads on this?
Where is the other thread on this?
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:51 PM
 
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The article is not inconsistent with the idea that people's views change over time. It states that your experiences shape your thought processes and, hence brain structure.

Maybe your personal views were shaped by smoking weed, but that does not make it true of others. People that go from liberal to conservative are simply less willing to takes risks, so they change their views. Same with conservatives who become more liberal--maybe their play it safe views grew stale, so they exhibit more risk-taking behavior. Many people are wiling to take more risks when they are younger and become more afraid or unwilling to as they age, for various reasons--it has nothing to do with drugs (which are often replaced with alcohol).

...“It suggests that politics alters our worldview and alters the way our brains process.”

Politics isn’t the first to cause structural changes in the brain. More than a decade ago, researchers used brain scans to show that London cab drivers’ gray matter grew larger to help them store a mental map of the city. There more time they spent on the road, the bigger their hippocampi, an area associated with navigation, became..."
That makes sense. But I was apolitical in my youth and most of my adult live, I developed my politics when I woke to how the poor were being treated, etc. I became a liberal because I believed in equal rights, civil rights, etc.

I do think the brain waves change as people change their views, if they are open to changing views, whether they be republican or democrat, or even communists or socialist. What else made me more liberal, and it has to do with desiring all to get an equal share, the blacks, Muslims, HIspanics, gay and lesbians, etc. I think I could be more of a democratic socialist.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:02 PM
 
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scienc...YCIqhuygULK.99

Conservatives tend "to have more intense physical reactions to threatening stimuli."

This stuff is worth thinking about.

Conservatives tend to have intense physical reaction to what they perceive is threatening and everything is threatening.

So they are constantly on alert, looking askance at those who "aren't from around here," and yearning to go back to a time when it felt safer.

Seems that they are afraid of everyone from Lesbians to Libyans.

Is there any way to help Conservatives feel less threatened, less afraid?
I thought of this today too. Conservatives are afraid of Muslim because someone in politics tell them they want to kill so, they are afraid of blacks because they think they will kill us, Mexicans as well. And here the FBI said that only 2 percent of blacks are violent in an given year, and that only 3 percent of Mexicans commit violent crimes. It just fells like they comment more because that is what the media focuses on.

And they fear that their jobs will be taken away. And in some cases they are. I am for closing the borders, but not with a trump wall, and I am for making our employers hire Americans first. But I like the Hispanics'
and do not think that they are racists, murderers, etc. I drove all over Mexican will a female friend and no one bothered us. Well, I take it back. We went out one night and kid ran by and slapped my butt.

Now my own fear is around Trump and what he going to do next to bring harm to us. And yet, the Republicans must feel that he is protecting us. All on how you look at it.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:06 PM
 
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What about people who are neither liberal nor conservative?

What about people like me who want to focus on economic issues instead of cultural issues and identity politics?
Good question
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:12 PM
 
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What about communists like me?
Interesting enough I would say that a communist wants people to equal, wants to leave done out, wants all to be fed and clothed, and so the man put you in a commune, which may be nice if they are like a family, and then everyone has to work. But then the governnent takes all the money and leaves the people to starve. It would have to be run by good government. I would say that you are on the side of the liberal, with hopes that one kind of government would be better, and that you is communism.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:15 PM
 
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I am guessing because one was locked, probably for looking like an ad. It's a shame, really, because the referenced article is quite interesting.
I will try to find the quote in the kindle book I have on brain wave, and then I can post some ino here. maybe the Washington post article has a link to the study they di. I hope I don't forget.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:16 PM
 
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Is there any way to help Conservatives feel less threatened, less afraid?
Is there any way to help Liberals realize there are real threats in the world and not everything works according to pie in the sky idealism?

The two world views are symbiotic. One is not better than the other. Both are necessary and shouldn't be pitted against each other.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:17 PM
 
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...racy-17536124/

Other scans have shown that brain regions associated with risk and uncertainty, such as the fear-processing amygdala, differ in structure in liberals and conservatives. And different architecture means different behavior. Liberals tend to seek out novelty and uncertainty, while conservatives exhibit strong changes in attitude to threatening situations. The former are more willing to accept risk, while the latter tends to have more intense physical reactions to threatening stimuli.
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I'm neither. I view each specific piece of legislation or event etc. on it's own merits.

I've seen plenty of crazy around this forum from both parties if that helps.

I am at least a little chuckling over all the "liberal" blue collar americans that jumped ship republican this election. Now, not only are they suddenly racist, they're apparently *crazy* too! lol.
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