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Old 11-25-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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I know there are many libertarians in SV, but they have hunkered down because of social pressure and do not publicly admit it.

The culture shifted during the Obama years and now progressive orthodoxy is de rigeur.
I'm not sure real libertarians could stand to be in that atmosphere now. It would be like living among aliens.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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What's the progressive orthodoxy? Do you work in Silicon Valley? BTW, Obama is center right.
In Silicon Valley, progressive orthodoxy is:

- Affirmative action for women and minority engineers
- Stifling political correctness
- Casual classism and racism against poor whites and the regions they live in
- Support for universal basic income
- Enforcing censorship on social media

In reality

- White and Asian males are prejudiced against women and minority engineers
- A huge superiority complex that renders political correctness just a social nicety, not a closely-held value
- Many in SV come from the hinterland and are forced to bad mouth their childhood friends to be accepted
- UBI support is just a gimmick to defuse the wealth inequality powder keg
- People in SV know censorship is wrong but are kowtowing to political power to maintain their economic position

I used to work in the Bay Area, but not SV proper. Obama is center left, and anyone who says otherwise is either way out of touch or lying to push an agenda.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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I know there are many libertarians in SV, but they have hunkered down because of social pressure and do not publicly admit it.

The culture shifted during the Obama years and now progressive orthodoxy is de rigeur.
Even if true I suspect it has more to do with the rise of social media than any political events. Social media is a bit more like journalism in that it attracts certain kinds of people who tend to be more liberal. Back in the days of microchips and computers dominating SV you had more engineering types who tended to be more libertarian or even conservative sometimes. Social media is less engineering and more content.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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Even if true I suspect it has more to do with the rise of social media than any political events. Social media is a bit more like journalism in that it attracts certain kinds of people who tend to be more liberal. Back in the days of microchips and computers dominating SV you had more engineering types who tended to be more libertarian or even conservative sometimes. Social media is less engineering and more content.
This is true, and the "media types" in SV have bullied the engineers into silence.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The problem is that the engineers simply aren't as important in the grand scheme of things as content-producers in the "new Silicon Valley." You're asking the 2nd tier of guys in the hierarchy to retain the prominence of 1st tier guys. Ain't gonna happen.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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The problem is that the engineers simply aren't as important in the grand scheme of things as content-producers in the "new Silicon Valley." You're asking the 2nd tier of guys in the hierarchy to retain the prominence of 1st tier guys. Ain't gonna happen.
I disagree.

Platforms are more valuable than content. That's the web 2.0 model.

Engineers in SV are still paid more than content producers, many of whom are contractors or work for free, and this shows they have the economic upper hand.

Engineers are however non- confrontational as a rule and can be politically naive, which makes them easy to bully. "McFly, why didn't you do your homework for me?" said Biff.

In reality the progressive enforcers in SV are often Ivy-educated project managers. Related to content production, but it has more to do with SV no longer being a cloister of engineers.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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In Silicon Valley, progressive orthodoxy is:

- Affirmative action for women and minority engineers
- Stifling political correctness
- Casual classism and racism against poor whites and the regions they live in
- Support for universal basic income
- Enforcing censorship on social media

In reality

- White and Asian males are prejudiced against women and minority engineers
- A huge superiority complex that renders political correctness just a social nicety, not a closely-held value
- Many in SV come from the hinterland and are forced to bad mouth their childhood friends to be accepted
- UBI support is just a gimmick to defuse the wealth inequality powder keg
- People in SV know censorship is wrong but are kowtowing to political power to maintain their economic position

I used to work in the Bay Area, but not SV proper. Obama is center left, and anyone who says otherwise is either way out of touch or lying to push an agenda.
Thanks for the answer but most of that is your opinion. Maybe if you said there is a push to hire more women in leadership roles but in reality, 95% of the upper level management is male. I'm making up the stat but I'm quite confident that I am pretty close to reality. Make a list like that if you want to make a stronger argument.

I'm not sure how there can be stifling PC culture yet it is not enforced. That makes no sense. Since you did not work in this field, how do you know people were bad mouthing their childhood friends? Why would someone do that. Sounds immature and unprofessional also not something you can prove.

Yes, you could also say Obama was center left too!
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:46 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Silicon Valley likes to see itself as a progressive place.

However their progressivism is skin deep and only manifests itself for ancillary causes like gay rights that don't affect their bottom line.

In reality Silicon Valley is automating the economy and transferring massive wealth to capitalists. Elites get the first fruits of new technology, and industrial revolutions are usually accompanied by growth in income and wealth inequality.

Some firms are more or less coy about their true role in the world system. Uber is pretty bare knuckled about how they want to break up taxi cartels and drive down wages. Apple on the other hand cares deeply about its image and tries hard to obscure the fact that it's powered by Chinese wage slaves.

Silicon Valley has mastered the art of playing the progressive to get political cover for very aggressive business tactics and wealth accumulation.

In the end they are the primary agent driving income inequality, as their technology makes automation and offshoring possible. They will never admit to this though.
Thank you for recognizing that Silicon Valley is one of the most successful and influential pillars of capitalism in the world!

And you cons are always saying dumb **** about how everyone here is some sort of communist.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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Thank you for recognizing that Silicon Valley is one of the most successful and influential pillars of capitalism in the world!

And you cons are always saying dumb **** about how everyone here is some sort of communist.
Thank you for acknowledging that SV progressivism is just a dog and pony show.
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Old 11-25-2017, 11:03 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Thank you for acknowledging that SV progressivism is just a dog and pony show.
Dunno what you thought this place was, but it's always been capitalist to the core. Sure, they have workplace policies that try to promote diversity and such (with dubious results) and give some money to charity, but this place has always been all about the dollar. And even on the "lazy liberal" meme..you should see the workaholic hours people put in here.

So what's the big reveal? Conservatives should look up to this place; it fulfills their ideals! This is where the capitalistic high rollers really make it big. Take a look at the list of richest people on the planet...how many are in tech?
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