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Old 11-25-2017, 05:05 PM
Location: Long Island, NY
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Originally Posted by Avondalist View Post
That's what I'm pointing out, that Silicon Valley liberals are hypocritical. They use liberal rhetoric as a smoke screen to protect their business activities.

Liberal hypocrisy on trade was arguably what caused the Blue Wall to crumble and allowed Trump to win.

Regarding Trump, I don't think he has caused nearly as much pain for the middle class as Silicon Valley. Moreover Trump is in many ways a traitor to his own class, since he is trying to pull back from unfettered capitalism. If anything the Republican party has forced him to moderate his populist impulses.
As Bill Maher used to say, "the difference between rich Democrats and rich Republicans is that rich Democrats don't mind paying more taxes for the good of the country."

Regarding trade, it isn't Mexico or China taking American jobs away, it's the microchip. We now manufacture as many cars with 5,000 workers as used to take 25,000 workers. Thomas Friedman wrote on Trump's abandoning TPP, "why is labor in Mexico cheaper than in America? One reason is that Mexico has weaker labor rights and environmental standards. Let’s see …what would TPP require of Mexico and other signatories? That they bring their labor rights and environmental standards closer to ours."

If you believe Trump's populist rap, you have been conned. Trump talks the talk and that's it. Not one thing that he did helps average Americans. He tried to kill Obamacare, that provides a third of West Virginia voters Medicaid and subsidizes rural hospitals. He is trying to pass a tax bill that's is a gift to the rich and raises taxes on the middle class. He killed the fiduciary rule, the rule that forces financial advisors to act in the client's interests instead of brokerage companies. His gutting of environmental policies won't help the economy but will cut costs for companies and make Americans sicker. There is no sensible defense of eliminating net neutrality.

What I read from the OP is a belief that liberals are betraying liberalism by being rich. That's just silly. FDR was indeed a liberal and his family was one of the richest in his time. The same thing for JFK.

We can indeed be rich (at least some of us) but we still believe in progressive income taxes; health care; a social safety net; reproductive rights; sexual rights, etc.

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Old 11-25-2017, 06:23 PM
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Originally Posted by Avondalist View Post
Trump is a change and may signal a realignment. However currently most Republicans are still aligned with business, and many of the anti-conservative threads on this board excoriate Republicans for being aligned with big business.

If you want the Democrats to become the party of capitalism and the upper class, good luck. The Republicans since the New Deal will tell you that it's the weaker of the two party coalitions.

I think there are a lot of middle Americans who have problems with capitalism.

Your point on this thread is also to sing the praises of Silicon Valley as the force that is screwing the middle class over. So don't shed any crocodile tears for the middle class.
Well then, let's switch places!

Conservative GOP who were always big business capitalists are now going to become anti-corporate advocates for the little guy; and liberal Democrats who were pushing the anti-corporate agenda are now the big business capitalists!

Looks like both sides were inconsistent liars.
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