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Old 11-28-2017, 03:03 PM
 
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You’re so out of touch with what the true underlying problems are, you can’t be expected to recognize the legitimate efforts to correct them.

But in less than a year, and in spite of the onslaught of media attacks, and establishment efforts to derail him, the jobless rate is at a 20 year low, TPP was killed, NAFTA being renegotiated, major tax cuts are on the way, and the economy overall is experiencing a positive upturn ...

All of this, in your opinion, is bad? Sorry ... but there is something wrong with your brain.
Same thing can be said against you.

The only good thing you have mentioned is TPP, but it was not killed, probably just put on hold. Employment numbers are a joke, a misrepresentation of the real state of affair. Nafta being renegotiated, Do you even know what this means? Mexicans can't compete with heavily subsidized u.s. products, You think trump wants to make it fair so mexicans don't have to cross the border to look for jobs? All they contrary, they want to squeezed even more from Mexico for the benefits of corporations. Economy is going well? It is pure market speculation, nothing to do with the real economy.

I am in favor doing away with income tax (which came about to pay for wars), BUT only right after the stock market is abolished [which is just a scheme of money speculation for the rich]. Without this two idiocies everyone could work in a leveled field.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:05 PM
 
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Movies are a fantasy. Truth is, there was just as much classless behavior then as there is now.
Baloney. I can remember clearly how much better people behaved even 30 years ago, how much more respect they showed each other.

Getting on a plane now is like getting on a bus 30 years ago, that is how far manners and class have fallen.

Our society is getting dumbed down every day to make way for the lowest to look smarter and fit in.

This country has taken a huge wrong turn.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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Baloney. I can remember clearly how much better people behaved even 30 years ago, how much more respect they showed each other.

Getting on a plane now is like getting on a bus 30 years ago, that is how far manners and class have fallen.

Our society is getting dumbed down every day to make way for the lowest to look smarter and fit in.

This country has taken a huge wrong turn.
We certainly did last November.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:26 PM
 
Location: London
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that same **** is going on now too. this planet NEEDS to be go kapoot. I know it makes some people sad they won't have future kids and grandkids, but us realistic and SMART people of this planet know we don't NEED anymore future scrubs. End.this.NOW. why not?
Um... do you need a hug?
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:30 PM
 
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We certainly did last November.
I get it, but the Democratic candidate was worse.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:04 PM
 
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Baloney. I can remember clearly how much better people behaved even 30 years ago, how much more respect they showed each other.

Getting on a plane now is like getting on a bus 30 years ago, that is how far manners and class have fallen.

Our society is getting dumbed down every day to make way for the lowest to look smarter and fit in.

This country has taken a huge wrong turn.
My father, who grew up in the 60s and early 70s would beg to differ.
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Old 11-28-2017, 10:09 PM
 
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No President is "the answer."

Our country's government is an unaccountable, faceless bureaucracy. It is the millions of government employees at the local, state and federal level who pick and choose winners ad losers every single day. The elected people you see on TV are as much in control of this country and the future of it as I am in control of herding unicorns on Saturn.

When your town council issues a levy that raises your property taxes, that wasn't the POTUS. When the local school board decides that $17k per pupil in the local high school and guaranteed 6% annual raises for the teachers isn't sufficient spending, and you take it in the shorts at the next election, that isn't the POTUS.

The few bazillion little petty tyrannies that we experience all the time, every day...they have nothing to do with the White House, US Senate or US House. They are all part of the unaccountable, faceless bureaucracy that controls the bazillion little levers of power. Thinking one person in a constitutionally constrained office, with two separate and coequal branches acting as mandated checks on their power, can even hope to be "the answer" is the pinnacle of naivete.

Ever notice how not much ever changes no matter who is in charge of the White House, the Senate and/or the House? You get the occasional expansion of the welfare state here and there, and maybe some high altitude corporatism that gives a little more power to the technocratic oligarchy, but by and large, the day in, day out reality for most Americans doesn't change much at all with the comings and goings of federal elections. That's because the unaccountable, faceless bureaucracy never changes, and even when the faces changes, the roles they occupy at those millions of ugly government issued desks doesn't change, the pile of papers they push round doesn't change, and their mission statement of petty tyranny, waste, sloth and inefficiency in the name of unaccountable power doesn't change.

Trump is nothing more than a branding strip on a box called "US stuff." Same for Obama, Bush, etc. They are meaningless figureheads who do nothing more than project a particular image du jour. Stop thinking one of these people can answer any freaking question under the Sun, much less fix an entire nation that succeeds and prospers in spite of them and almost never because of them.
While I agree in part on some of your points, I totally disagree with how marginalized and powerless you paint the POTUS. It’s very true that many, perhaps even most, have chosen to be puppets.... but there are unique powers of that office that can, in the right hands, be a force for great change. That is precisely why the “establishment” (both Republicans and Democrats) did everything they could do to prevent Trump from gaining the nomination, and have continued to attempt to block him as best they can, at every juncture. Nevertheless, many positive and significant efforts have already succeeded, and will continue. None the least of which is to ensure that SCOTUS isnt filled with America hating left wing communists like Ginsburg, Kagen, and Sotomeyer. If Trump fails to achieve anything else, he will have provided immense service to America on that front alone.

The consequences of a Clinton presidency, and the guaranteed result of a left dominated majority on the court would have been a death blow to the Constitution. Consequences of immeasurable proportion would most certainly have negatively effected every American for decades to come, including those too stupid to realize it now.
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Baloney. I can remember clearly how much better people behaved even 30 years ago, how much more respect they showed each other.

Getting on a plane now is like getting on a bus 30 years ago, that is how far manners and class have fallen.

Our society is getting dumbed down every day to make way for the lowest to look smarter and fit in.

This country has taken a huge wrong turn.
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My father, who grew up in the 60s and early 70s would beg to differ.

I think the poster of the first quote has just been running around with the wrong crowd. Those with whom I associate, tend to be well-educated, physically-fit and active and considerate of others. They are much more accepting of different sorts of people than most were, when I was younger. If you try your best to be a good person, you can find more people today, who share that goal. That's the way things work for me, at least.
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Old 11-29-2017, 07:17 AM
 
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Wait, I'm confused.

Is it "the decay of society" or is it "tellin' it like it is"?

Because I have seen many people complaining about the former hail the latter as some sort of aspirational quality.
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Old 11-29-2017, 07:19 AM
 
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It's too complicated to really understand.

One issue could be that after WWII more people enjoyed a prosperous lifestyle. Materialism became important. Before that, only the rich could enjoy a decadent lifestyle but now the middle class could buy big cars, nice houses, take trips--and when you start thinking more about objects than people, you get what we have now.

The commercialism and materialism have been spread by radio, then tv, then social media so that these days mostly all some people think about is phones and what other items they should buy. People are secondary. Sticking together and helping each other out? Forget it.

TV and movies haven't helped. They didn't used to be so bad but now it's all about violence and crime because that's what they think people want to see. Too many people are out of touch with what life should be about and obsessed with material objects and a world that they see in the media. We've stopped caring about one another.

(Examples are everywhere--even on CD you find people complaining that someone got something for free or that poor people shouldn't be able to go to school, or people don't need health insurance. If someone suffers a misfortune, it's their own fault and just too bad. That's how rotten it's become. The bad manners and inconsiderate behavior are just examples of these attitudes.)

Well said. And makes a lot of sense.
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