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Old 11-29-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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It's too complicated to really understand.

One issue could be that after WWII more people enjoyed a prosperous lifestyle. Materialism became important. Before that, only the rich could enjoy a decadent lifestyle but now the middle class could buy big cars, nice houses, take trips--and when you start thinking more about objects than people, you get what we have now.

The commercialism and materialism have been spread by radio, then tv, then social media so that these days mostly all some people think about is phones and what other items they should buy. People are secondary. Sticking together and helping each other out? Forget it.

TV and movies haven't helped. They didn't used to be so bad but now it's all about violence and crime because that's what they think people want to see. Too many people are out of touch with what life should be about and obsessed with material objects and a world that they see in the media. We've stopped caring about one another.

(Examples are everywhere--even on CD you find people complaining that someone got something for free or that poor people shouldn't be able to go to school, or people don't need health insurance. If someone suffers a misfortune, it's their own fault and just too bad. That's how rotten it's become. The bad manners and inconsiderate behavior are just examples of these attitudes.)

Well said. And makes a lot of sense.
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Old 11-29-2017, 09:24 AM
 
Location: New Brunswick
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Wait, I'm confused.

Is it "the decay of society" or is it "tellin' it like it is"?

Because I have seen many people complaining about the former hail the latter as some sort of aspirational quality.
I'm confused about this to. I notice a lot of people who on one note decry being forced to be politically correct, than on the next note complain about foul language and the decay of society.

Like make up your mind. What do you want???
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:48 AM
 
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Wait, I'm confused.

Is it "the decay of society" or is it "tellin' it like it is"?

Because I have seen many people complaining about the former hail the latter as some sort of aspirational quality.
Funny, isn't it? The people who lapped up "blood coming out her whatever" are asking that their fainting couches be brought in due to rap lyrics. Those who whine about "PC" stifling their right to free expression suddenly find a liking for decorum.

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Old 11-29-2017, 11:51 PM
 
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Same thing can be said against you.

The only good thing you have mentioned is TPP, but it was not killed, probably just put on hold. Employment numbers are a joke, a misrepresentation of the real state of affair. Nafta being renegotiated, Do you even know what this means? Mexicans can't compete with heavily subsidized u.s. products, You think trump wants to make it fair so mexicans don't have to cross the border to look for jobs? All they contrary, they want to squeezed even more from Mexico for the benefits of corporations. Economy is going well? It is pure market speculation, nothing to do with the real economy.

I am in favor doing away with income tax (which came about to pay for wars), BUT only right after the stock market is abolished [which is just a scheme of money speculation for the rich]. Without this two idiocies everyone could work in a leveled field.
Learn about a subject before attempting to talk about it with such arrogance! You have it completely backwards. And there is no excuse, at this point, years later, to defend a proven disaster such as NAFTA. But Iíve never heard anyone make such a ridiculous assertion that Mexico canít compete with subsidized US products. What alternate reality are you living in?

The first point is, I donít give a rats ass about Mexicoís ability to compete .... and neither should you, unless youíre a Mexican. Thatís your first glaring error. That holds true for China ... Indonesia ... or anywhere else ... got it?

Secondly, one of the BS points used to originally sell NAFTA was this nonsense about improving Mexicoís economy and increasing Mexican jobs, which would in turn decrease illegal immigration of Mexicans into the US. THE EXACT OPPOSITE occurred. The additional unintended (unannounced) consequences resulted in European countries bypassing standard (reciprocal) trade agreements with the US by building manufacturing facilities in Mexico, and using NAFTA to flood US markets with their exports tariff free ... particularly auto makers like Mercedes, BMW, VW, etc. And as these manufacturing facilities sprang up like weeds, they gobbled up massive amounts of farmland, displacing TENS of thousands of local farmers and those connected to farming who have never known anything other than farming. Uneducated, unskilled farm workers now out of work and left to head north into the US. So we lose all around .... flooded with uneducated, unskilled illegals, and tariff free foreign products.

Itís one thing to fail to understand the long term consequences of left wing loon policy ahead of time, but absurdly ignorant to not recognize the failure after itís happened.
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Old 11-30-2017, 01:34 AM
 
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The first point is, I donít give a rats ass about Mexicoís ability to compete .... and neither should you, unless youíre a Mexican. Thatís your first glaring error. That holds true for China ... Indonesia ... or anywhere else ... got it?
No
Can you go over it again.
It got confused when you decided who I should and shouldn't care about.
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Old 11-30-2017, 02:25 AM
 
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We all agree that we are watching the Decay Of Society in our time, so how can we fix it.

Education, everyone should have an associate's degree to get our next generation out of the bubble they live in and get a better understanding of the world they live in.

Follow up on all immigration to this country by just enforcing the laws that are in place.
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Old 11-30-2017, 06:58 AM
 
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We all agree that we are watching the Decay Of Society in our time, so how can we fix it.

Education, everyone should have an associate's degree to get our next generation out of the bubble they live in and get a better understanding of the world they live in.

Follow up on all immigration to this country by just enforcing the laws that are in place.

I agree, although am a little curious on the degree thing. While I understand, a degree is key now to being employed in many fields , I getting the impression that you feel those that don't have at minimum of an associate's degree are unable to understand living in our current society ? Interesting.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: The United States of America
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The decay of society is reflected in the officials that we elect.
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Old 11-30-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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We all agree that we are watching the Decay Of Society in our time, so how can we fix it.

Education, everyone should have an associate's degree to get our next generation out of the bubble they live in and get a better understanding of the world they live in.

Follow up on all immigration to this country by just enforcing the laws that are in place.
We could resurrect that cherished concept known as Personal Responsibility along with its cousins Common Sense, Tact, Diplomacy, and Proportion.

Beats the hell out of Vulgarity, Victimization, Hyperbole, Partisanship, and the Race Card.

I won't hold my breath.
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:44 AM
 
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I agree, although am a little curious on the degree thing. While I understand, a degree is key now to being employed in many fields , I getting the impression that you feel those that don't have at minimum of an associate's degree are unable to understand living in our current society ? Interesting.
I grew up in central NJ so all the news was of NYC. That is all I thought the world was about.

I moved to Maine and talked to a lot of people that have a misconception of who the people of Jersey really are. That mindset can probably be said of every state across the country not just between Maine and NJ. Reading CD and experiencing this country through all my road trips confirms our misconceptions of our society. If I knew right out of High School the many cultures and heritage of this whole country instead of learning it by chance over the years I would be in a better place today.

Getting an Associate's degree is more about getting out of the only culture you know and nurturing personal growth and higher order thinking.

All college Bachelors Degrees start with an Associate's Degree so you will have a better understanding to decide after your Associates where you want to go in life. You can as an adult decide "I dont like it out here" or the "Aha moment" and go places you never thought about.

The world is leaving us behind. How many telemarketers do you talk to from India? Silicon valley is filled with foreign employees. Look at the list of Doctors in your local hospital and see how many immigrant doctors are listed.

The world is filled with more information that can be taught in 12 years of your local school curriculum. You can't understand the world through Facebook. Use social media as a tool for learning about something you never knew existed but it is up to you to pursue it for more in depth knowledge to form your own understanding.

Higher education of just an Associate's degree is a good start to stop the decay of society.
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