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Old 04-08-2008, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Central Jersey
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Even if we see that the earth warms in the future, we will not see whether it was caused by man, and in a world of limited resources, we may find that this red herring might be stripping our capability to actually do something good like eliminate world hunger. Short sightedness can go both ways.
Things like hunger and poverty cannot be eliminated, only redefined.

An example would be how the USDA has redefined their definition of hunger:

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Hunger is an individual-level physiological condition that may result from food insecurity. The word "hunger," the panel stated in its final report, "...should refer to a potential consequence of food insecurity..."
Of those in the USA who are determined as going hungry, only 1/3 of them reported not eating once in a single day. Contrast this with being hungry in say...Africa.
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Old 04-08-2008, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Central Jersey
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I agree with you completed. I will be voting for common sense and not those who move from global cooling, to warming. Ozone layer to over populated.
Enviro-nuts have been proven wrong time and time again yet just like socialism and communism and "free national health care" we still hear from these people. They can take the carbon tax, credits and shove them.
Personally, I'm thinking of using their guilt to my advantage. Plant some trees in my yard and sell off the carbon credits
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:07 PM
 
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Carbon tax is basically a "new" industry that generates revenue (which is why investors and politicians like it). Those investors stand to make BILLIONS of dollars in profit, IF it became law (that is why Al Gore likes it... PROFIT). The eco-freaks like to spread their propaganda and make others believe in their bunk science so that they can feel a sense of importance... like they are saving the world, mankind, or something (delusions of grandeur). The people who realize that CO2 cause global warming is bunch of junk science are mad because they are paying the investors with their MONEY, companies charge more for their products and generate bigger profits from your MONEY, politicians are paid to keep it going with your MONEY, and eco-freaks are happy that you are poor and miserable (misery loves company)... thanks but NO THANKS....

Carbon credits is full of crap... Company A BUYS carbon credits to pollute more... Company B sells their carbon credits... Company A charges YOU what it cost them to pollute more... in the end, MORE pollution as Company A can pollute more (company B never really polluted and reaps its benefit without changing anything. YOU pay for all the extra pollution and YOU pay to buy that carbon credit by either USING their power source (electricity, etc) or buying their products at HIGHER prices. YOU pay and there will be more carbon emission, NOT less... of course Al Gore just wants his investments to make money, should we say NO to carbon credits, Al Gore will pull his money out faster than you can put back your wallet... the system right now, does NOT allow Company A to release more carbon emission, company B doesn't do anything since they never had high carbon emissions... guess who wins on a carbon credit system when it is paid by those who use electricity or buy products from company A... Company A doesn't have to find ways to decrease carbon emissions, they just make you pay for them polluting more... thank all the eco-freaks out there and their limited questions about the truth of the matter but then if they did ask more questions, then I guess they wouldn't believe the crock about CO2 causing global warming...
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Central Jersey
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Like anything else...follow the money.
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:17 PM
 
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So your concern about global warming is that we will kill all of mankind? What a preposterous assumption about the power that humans wield..
Not preposterous at all. Humans have had this power for a long time. Or do you not know that the US, China, and Russia have enough nuclear weapons to eradicate most, if not all, of the human population on Earth?

Global warming will likely not kill off all human life, at least not right away in the near future (next 60-100 years). What it will do is make billions of peoples lives alot more miserable and kill millions of people who live in poor countries and cannot adapt. In the US alone we will likely have very brutal heatwaves that could potentially kill thousands of people every summer, plus brutal rainstorms and hurricanes in some places, other places severe droughts. You still think that is nothing to worry about?
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:26 PM
 
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The earth was also supposed to become overpopulated to the point where there would be mass starvation and no open spaces for people...time after time the enviro-nuts have been proven wrong.
That still could happen. When I was born there were only about 4 billion people. Now it's almost 7 billion. Alot of scientists believe the carrying capacity of the earth using modern farming, which is quite advanced and likely will not rapidly progress in the near future, is only about 8-9 billion people. Any more will require sacrifices on the part of the wealthy (vegetarianism, as meat production involves significant inputs of food calories). Things like biofuels merely rachet down the carrying capacity of the planet. Mexicans starve so Americans can have flex-fuel Suburbans without any guilt.
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Central Jersey
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That still could happen. When I was born there were only about 4 billion people. Now it's almost 7 billion. Alot of scientists believe the carrying capacity of the earth using modern farming, which is quite advanced and likely will not rapidly progress in the near future, is only about 8-9 billion people. Any more will require sacrifices on the part of the wealthy (vegetarianism, as meat production involves significant inputs of food calories). Things like biofuels merely rachet down the carrying capacity of the planet. Mexicans starve so Americans can have flex-fuel Suburbans without any guilt.
Most third world countries starve because they are too stupid to harness the power of nature...either that or they are run by corrupt and/or despotic regimes.
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Central Jersey
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In the US alone we will likely have very brutal heatwaves that could potentially kill thousands of people every summer, plus brutal rainstorms and hurricanes in some places, other places severe droughts. You still think that is nothing to worry about?
I would call this NATURE and no, I would not worry about it.
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:59 PM
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Location: On a hill near a river
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I would call this NATURE and no, I would not worry about it.
How very brutal of you.
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Old 04-08-2008, 03:18 PM
 
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Most third world countries starve because they are too stupid to harness the power of nature...either that or they are run by corrupt and/or despotic regimes.
That's a pretty broad statement comming from somebody who lives in a developed nation where agriculture is almost exclusively dependent on the inputs of cheap fossil fuels and water. If anything, Americans would seem to have a very stupid, inefficient way of "harnessing the power of nature", since it takes tens of thousands of joules worth of animal feed and petrochemical fertilizer just to feed the average American every day.
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