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Old 04-09-2008, 01:12 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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We know that CO2 causes warming.
We know that CO2 causes warming or that warming causes CO2? And why did those glaciers recede from north america a while back? What caused the warming temps that evaporated Lake Bonneville? It's all a big cycle.
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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I'm anticipating a clean sweep with the adults put back in charge.
Adults, right. History shows that the American public sways from party to party after a period of time. A democratic win is nothing more than the winds of change...and will go down in history as successfully as Carter's presidency did.

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Old 04-09-2008, 01:18 PM
 
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Nobody cares what you think either

I relied on Wegman's report that was a statistical verification of a previous report that disputed the climate change findings...and determined it to be accurate.

You have been proven to be gullible and easily swayed by those who stand to benefit financially.
I may be gullible but at least I read the report. They didn't garner one bit of global scientific data themselves. They only use other's data and some pretty wild equations to skew the results. They accuse the Mann scientists of collaborating for a common out come while he and his fellow mathematicians do the same thing...skew the data for a wanted outcome.
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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I may be gullible but at least I read the report. They didn't garner one bit of global scientific data themselves. They only use other's data and some pretty wild equations to skew the results. They accuse the Mann scientists of collaborating for a common out come while he and his fellow mathematicians do the same thing...skew the data for a wanted outcome.
They never claimed to. The report disproved sloppy scientific research of another scientist...which eco-nuts still use as "evidence". Data was not skewed, it was "refined" (as RL likes to put it).
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Old 04-09-2008, 02:00 PM
 
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How can they disprove sloppy research if they didn't do any of their own?
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Old 04-09-2008, 02:06 PM
 
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We know that CO2 causes warming or that warming causes CO2? And why did those glaciers recede from north america a while back? What caused the warming temps that evaporated Lake Bonneville? It's all a big cycle.
Lake Bonneville is gone? Are you sure? How long has it been gone? There's a lake in the bottom of Death Valley too isn't there? It was there in 2005, I saw people boating around in kayaks.
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Foothills of Colorado
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What dispute? Every mainstream scientific association in the country has endorsed the reality of anthropogenic climate change.
Not every mainstream association, just the ones funded by government grants. No grants are awarded to causes that are not alarmist.

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You look kind of silly talking about a scientific dispute concerning anthropogenic climate change. There's probably greater scientific consensus on this topic than there is on any other current scientific issue.
Claiming that there is consensus is just another method to avoid the actual argument.

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The proof phase is over. We need to continue to refine the models to produce more accurate estimates, but we are into the policy phase of remediation.
You still haven't proved it to logical people.

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How can they disprove sloppy research if they didn't do any of their own?
It is much easier to disprove a flawed throry than to come up with a good theory.
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:25 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Lake Bonneville is gone? Are you sure? How long has it been gone? There's a lake in the bottom of Death Valley too isn't there? It was there in 2005, I saw people boating around in kayaks.
About 16,800 years. How old are you?

The Lake Bonneville I'm referring to dried up to the present day Great Salt Lake.

Lake Bonneville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Global Warming religion never really addresses the massive climate and physical changes the planet has experienced in, historically speaking, just the past few years.
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Foothills of Colorado
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Any scientist want to dispute the fact the Water is the #1 greenhouse gas? Truly this is the argument stopper... not some fake "consensus"

Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:31 PM
 
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Hegman took Mann's data and used his statistical formulas, have you seen them?, which may be flawed, to come to a different conclusion. They did not come up with a researched theory of his own he basically says he moves the zero points around and applies different statistical theories to "prove" global warming needs to be studied for a longer before we take any action that might cost us money.
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